Theology on Mission

Is leaving evangelicalism really a departure—or just a shift within the same framework?

In this provocative episode, Dave Fitch and Mike Moore wrestle with the deep similarities between evangelical and post-evangelical spaces. Are we just switching teams while playing the same game? From the role of the self in faith to justice work and power structures, they explore what truly changes (and what doesn’t) when people move from white evangelicalism to progressive or mainline Protestant spaces.

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Shifting theological or political stances doesn’t automatically transform the way we engage culture, power, and justice. Without rethinking the self, mission, and power dynamics, we risk reinforcing the very systems we hoped to escape.

In this thought-provoking episode, Dave Fitch and Mike Moore sit down with Matthew Bates, professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary and author of Beyond the Salvation Wars, to challenge long-held assumptions about the gospel. From the pitfalls of individualistic salvation to the deeper call of allegiance to King Jesus, they explore what it truly means to be saved—and why both Protestants and Catholics need to rethink their approach.

The gospel isn’t just about avoiding hell or doing justice—it’s about swearing allegiance to King Jesus and being swept up in his mission for the world. When we move beyond an individualistic, works-based mindset, we discover a deeper, more holistic understanding of salvation.

What would change in your life if you saw faith not as belief or effort, but as allegiance to Jesus? Let us know your thoughts!

What if the way forward in our polarized world begins at the table? 

In this compelling episode, Dave Fitch and Mike Moore sit down with Dan White Jr., author of Love Over Fear, to discuss the art of engaging in difficult conversations. They explore how compassion, curiosity, and a theology of the table can heal divisions in our churches, neighborhoods, and beyond.

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The practice of kingdom living starts at the table, where power shifts from winning arguments to mutual transformation. In a polarized world, Christians are called to disrupt division and embody Christ's love through listening, storytelling, and trust in God’s presence.

📖 Additional Reflection:

How can you use the table as a space for transformation and reconciliation in your community?

What happens when revivalist faith meets political power?

In this episode of Theology on Mission, Dave Fitch and Mike Moore sit down with scholar Matthew D. Taylor to uncover the startling rise of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)—a movement reshaping the landscape of evangelical Christianity and American politics.

Taylor reveals how this influential network of apostles and prophets has grown from obscure beginnings to a force wielding colossal sway, intertwining charismatic zeal with far-right rhetoric. From the Seven Mountains Mandate to the dramatic spiritual warfare on January 6, this conversation peels back the layers on how NAR’s vision of Christian supremacy is impacting both the church and democracy.

Brace yourself for a deep dive into the movement's roots, its rapid ascent, and what it means for the future of faith and public life.

Timestamps: 

01:49 Introducing Northern Seminary's New President

04:17 Meet Our Esteemed Guest: Dr. Matthew Taylor

05:49 The Violent Take It By Force: Book Overview

07:50 The New Apostolic Reformation and January 6th

09:24 C. Peter Wagner: The Man Behind the Movement

12:23 Signs, Wonders, and Church Growth

17:51 Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare

20:19 Theological Implications and Controversies

23:11 The Rise of Pragmatic Theology

24:11 From Fringe to Mainstream: The Evolution of NAR

26:16 The Seven Mountain Mandate

27:32 Sarah Palin and the NAR's Political Ambitions

28:10 Donald Trump: The Anointed One

30:57 The Theology of Christian Trumpism

32:02 The January 6th Insurrection

34:35 Theological Reflections and Critiques

38:11 Christian Supremacy vs. Democracy

44:44 Cultural Resentment and Conservative Christians

48:54 Final Thoughts and Future Directions

What is the deepest emphasis of the prophets in the Bible?  

Prophets beyond Activism insightfully challenges the common progressive narrative that the prophets of ancient Israel were primarily concerned with social justice. Instead it daringly offers more life-giving ways of engaging the prophetic books for the causes of justice.

The assumption that the prophets of ancient Israel were primarily concerned with social justice so permeates the thinking and the discourse of progressive Christianity that it might be considered an interpretive orthodoxy. For example, progressives characterize prophets as those who speak truth to power and “prophetic preaching” as social critique. Yet, they often do so without explanation or consideration of alternative views.

Timestamps:  

01:54 Introducing Dr. Julia O'Brien

03:05 Prophets as Activists Orthodoxy

09:06 Biblical Ventriloquism and Social Justice

13:46 Challenges of Interpreting Prophetic Texts

20:14 The Role of Prophets in Modern Social Justice

45:37 Concluding Thoughts and Final Remarks

Mike Moore and David Fitch, discuss the post-election landscape following Donald Trump's victory in the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election.

They delve into their reactions to the election outcome, explore the broader implications for the church, politics, and society, and consider how the church should engage in politics moving forward. The conversation includes reflections on the failure of the church to address key societal issues, the challenges faced under the new administration, and calls for the church to become a space of reconciliation and healing.

They emphasize the importance of community engagement and the role of the church in addressing cultural and political divides.

Timestamps:

00:47 Initial Reactions to the 2024 Election

01:39 Personal Reflections and Context

04:21 Theological and Sociological Implications

05:44 Church's Role in Politics

18:01 Cultural Resentment and Antagonism

25:51 Call to Action for the Church

32:18 Practical Steps for Community Engagement

33:09 Addressing Critiques of Local Church Efforts

34:01 The Role of the Church in Politics

35:36 Post-Christendom Reflections

36:59 The Church's Alignment with Political Power

38:20 Fragmented Christendom in the U.S.

40:57 The Church's Role in Social Movements

49:28 Post-Election Reflections and Challenges

55:20 Final Thoughts and Call to Action

The good news is bigger and better than we imagined. 

Is the gospel good news for us today? Many Christians—especially young Christians stepping into a world and a church devastated by division, scandal, and abuse—are asking this question and deciding it simply isn’t. For many, it seems like our faith has little to offer the world around us. Our gospel has become too small—it looks nothing like the Jesus who embodies good news in the flesh.  

How do we recover this gospel? When we turn to the parable of the prodigal son—a story of elaborate parties, upside-down kingdoms, and reunited families—we can hear in Jesus’ own words a clear presentation of what he is doing, of a truth that is bigger and better than we’ve imagined. In these pages, author and pastor Jonny Morrison invites us on a journey to help us find ourselves and Jesus in the welcoming arms of this familiar parable, zooming out to show how this story shapes the entire story of Scripture. Along the way we discover the radically inclusive power of the gospel that upends religions, disrupts empires, heals the wounded, and empowers the marginalized. This is, after all, Jesus’ news to tell, and when we truly listen to him tell it, we can be found again in the surprising, disarming, challenging gospel that is truly good news.

Timestamps:

02:18 Johnny Morrison's Background

03:57 Discussing Prodigal Gospel

05:12 The Gospel and Its Implications

13:41 Challenges in Communicating the Gospel

15:25 The Need for an Entry Point

16:17 Metaphors for Articulating the Gospel

16:46 The Prodigal Son as a Gospel Metaphor

19:03 Personal Stories and the Gospel

23:34 Challenges and Reservations

26:10 Concluding Thoughts and Recommendations

We live in a culture that wants it all. More is seen as better—whether it’s more money, social media fame, choices, or power. For those chasing this way of life, “narrow” seems negative. Who wants to narrow their options . . . or be seen as narrow-minded?

Jesus’ way is subversive and narrow. Yet, there is no more meaningful way to live.  

Mike and Fitch are joined by Rich Villodas, lead pastor of New Life Fellowship and author of 'The Narrow Path'. Rich shares insights from his book, which challenges cultural norms and highlights the paradox of the narrow yet spacious path defined by Jesus. The conversation delves into the integration of spiritual formation with justice, community care, and the multifaceted role of therapy within Christian life. There are unquestionable communal aspects of spiritual practices like Sabbath and lament. Gain practical guidance on navigating anger and fostering deep, healing relationships within faith communities. Rich’s personal experiences in a multi-ethnic congregation in Queens, NY, enrich the dialogue, making it a compelling listen for those looking to deepen their spiritual journey while resisting societal pressures.

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Timestamps: 

02:58 Rich Villodas on Singing in Sermons

04:05 Discussing 'The Narrow Path'

05:04 Countercultural Spiritual Formation

05:47 Unexpected Happiness and Therapy

14:19 Sabbath and Community

21:55 Understanding Anger and Resentment

23:18 Normalizing Anger in the Church

24:43 Formation and Community

25:18 Confession and Vulnerability

25:36 The Role of Community in Healing

27:52 Weekly Confession Practice

28:56 The Importance of Vulnerable Community

31:18 Exploring Emotions with Theology

33:01 Final Thoughts on Spiritual Practices

38:56 Challenges of Multi-Ethnic Ministry

In this episode of Theology on Mission, Dave Fitch and Mike Moore sit down again with Andy Crouch to dive deeper into the complexities of power in the Christian context. Building on themes from Crouch’s book Playing God, they explore the tension between creative and coercive power, framing the conversation around the story of Jesus washing his disciples' feet. 

With lively debate and thoughtful reflection, Fitch and Crouch wrestle with authority in the church offering clarity and connection. The episode wraps up with a powerful call to reclaim God's presence and power in the church's practices.

Timestamps:

01:45 Diving into Power Dynamics

05:12 Genesis vs. Jesus: Different Starting Points

11:18 The Role of the State and Power

24:10 Creative Leadership and Coercion

28:47 Understanding Mutual Submission

29:08 God's Power vs. Worldly Power

29:17 Legal Disputes Among Christians

30:56 Jesus' Power and Authority

32:22 Debating the Nature of Jesus' Power

34:48 Peter's Resistance and Jesus' Response

36:18 The Concept of Creative Power

42:48 The Role of the Church and Sacraments

46:33 Final Thoughts and Reflections

How does God want His people to deal with power? 

Andy Crouch & David Fitch have nuanced ways in which they see God’s invitation to embrace and use power in the world.  

The discussion explores topics such as coercive versus creative power, idolatry and injustice, and the pervasive influence of systems like Mammon in modern Christian thought. This candid conversation over the implications of using power in the name of God. From the Genesis narrative and historical stances on ecclesiastical power. 

This deep dive aims to unpack the complexities of wielding power within Christendom, ultimately emphasizing a return to true worship and dependence on God as a solution.

Timestamps: 

01:36 Introducing Andy Crouch

02:28 Andy Crouch's Journey and Work

03:56 The Crisis in Evangelicalism

05:20 The Theology of Power

10:55 The Creative and Coercive Power

20:02 The Problem of Magic and Mammon

23:54 Introduction to Power Distortion

24:40 Summarizing the Issues of Power

25:23 The Two Powers and Their Origins

26:09 Critique of Andy Crouch's Views

27:02 The Problem with Blurring Powers

29:27 Andy Crouch's Response

34:26 The Role of Coercion in Power

39:00 Concluding Thoughts and Next Steps