The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

Therapy is DOPE


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An interview with Eboni Harris, Co-Founder of Melanin and Mental Health – Curt and Katie talk with Eboni about people of color, both clients and clinicians, and what therapists often get wrong about cultural competence, continuing education, and the uncomfortable conversations we need to be having to decrease mental health stigma, racism, and ignorance.

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.

To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

Interview with Eboni Harris, LPC, LMFT

Eboni Harris is a licensed relationship therapist, co-founder of Melanin and Mental Health™, Founder of Room for Relations and host of Room for Relations: Sex and Relationship Podcast. Through her education she has learned the skills and techniques to help individuals and couples love better, stronger and longer. Through life she has learned that taking care of yourself is the best thing you can do for you and the ones you love. Her goal is to help adults communicate with clarity and honesty, love with passion and intention and teach their little ones the value of boundaries, compassion and trust.

In this episode we talk about:

  • Eboni’s story and how she came to co-found Melanin and Mental Health
  • Connecting therapists of color to help decrease mental health stigma and improve the quality of clinical care for people of color
  • Creating a directory for clinicians of color
  • Psychology Today’s lack of ethnic diversity on their magazine
  • How it feels to be leading a movement, especially when people don’t get it
  • The Melanin and Mental Health tag line: Therapy is Dope When You Have a Dope Therapist.
  • The types of training and conversations that need to happen to support the increasingly diverse population of clients
  • Cultural humility and cultural competence
  • What therapists get wrong when working cross culturally
  • The damage done when clinicians dismiss race as a factor
  • Lack of understanding of cultural, ethnic, gender identity and impacts on life and in the therapy room
  • Micro-aggressions that can even happen in treatment
  • The problem with referring out all clients of different ethnicities
  • The institutional concerns within the mental health profession that provide obstacles both for clients entering treatment as well as clinicians entering the profession
  • Mental Health Access and the complexity of hiring clinicians or finding therapists who are culturally competent
  • The role that fear and ignorance that can lead to poor interventions
  • Responding as a human being, not a member of the establishment (calling the police, CPS, etc.)
  • Understanding how passive ignorance can be a bigger problem than overt racism
  • Using privilege and access to help solve the problem and be an ally.
  • What needs to change in our profession to better support people of color
  • Understanding healing with a more diverse lens.
  • The importance of understanding your biases
  • Uncomfortable conversations that lead to positive change
  • Resources mentioned:

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