At 8 years old, Thibault Manekin watched a man in a white hood kick a kneeling Black boy in the head — and he's spent every year since trying to answer the same two questions: why are we so divided, and how do we bridge it?

In this conversation, Thibault — co-founder of PeacePlayers, the program that has used basketball to bring 75,000+ kids together across 20+ countries, and Seawall, the Baltimore real estate company reimagining how buildings can unite cities — sits down with Trey for one of the most unguarded conversations he's ever had on the show.

They go deep on the night Thibault's mother brought a homeless man named Charlie home from a freezing Baltimore parking lot — and why he stayed for 25 years. The bus ride into a South African township where 500 kids sang an outlawed anthem at the top of their lungs. The 10-year-old in Albert Park who waved off armed men with a single finger. And the moment in West Baltimore — at the intersection that would later become the epicenter of the Freddie Gray uprising — when Thibault realized America was more divided than the war-torn countries he'd just left.

This isn't a story about social impact. It's a story about thinking in 100-year increments while everyone else is fighting over today.

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