In episode 10 of the Things Above podcast, James Bryan Smith interviews pastor and author John Ortberg about his latest book, “Eternity is Now in Session.” In addition to recalling a humorous story of their first speaking engagement together in 1988, Jim and John discuss the impact that Dallas Willard’s writings and personal friendship had on each of their lives. In particular, they agree on Dallas’s teaching that authentic transformation is possible if we’re willing to arrange our lives around the practices and activities that Jesus engaged in, to be constantly at home with, and receiving life from his Father.

John says, at its heart, “Eternity is Now in Session” explores how we can experience a deep, joyful and interactive relationship with God here and now – debunking the idea that eternal life is something we participate in after we die. The book also helps us discover what the Bible truly says about salvation and the Gospel of Jesus.

Key verses in this episode include John 17:3, Hebrews 1, and Galatians 2:20.

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