How can we understand beauty through the lens of Jesus? In episode 30 of the Things Above podcast, James Bryan Smith sits down for a conversation with pastor Brian Zahnd, who has authored books, such as ‘Water to Wine,’ ‘Beauty Will Save the World’ and his latest work, ‘Postcards from Babylon.’ Jim and Brian draw from the collective wisdom of Hans Urs von Balthasar, Dostoyevsky, Thomas Aquinas, Dallas Willard and Mary Oliver as they discuss the importance of beauty in our Christian faith and in the world.