This Whole Life

“Even in moments of human discouragement, the consciousness that I was fulfilling God's will in all that happened to me would serve to dispel all doubt and desolation.”
 ~ Fr. Walter Ciszek

How can we trust God when life feels uncertain or painful?
What does it really mean to surrender our will to God?
How do we remain faithful when we face discouragement or suffering?

In episode 96 of This Whole Life, Kenna, Pat, and Fr. Nathan conclude their Lenten book study on He Leadeth Me by Fr. Walter Ciszek. In this final installment, they reflect on the closing chapters of Ciszek’s powerful spiritual memoir and the profound lessons he learned while enduring years of imprisonment and forced labor in the Soviet Union.

The conversation explores the mystery of divine providence and what it means to trust that God is present even in suffering, confusion, and discouragement. Drawing from Ciszek’s witness, they discuss surrendering control, discerning God's will in everyday life, and learning to see hardships not as meaningless suffering but as opportunities to grow in faith and dependence on God.

With humor, honesty, and thoughtful reflection, the hosts unpack the wisdom of a man who discovered that true freedom does not come from escaping suffering, but from trusting completely in God’s providence. Join the conversation as they wrap up this Lenten journey and reflect on how Fr. Ciszek’s insights can transform the way we live our daily lives.

Episode 96 Show Notes

Chapters

• 00:00 – Opening Quote and Introduction
• 01:30 – Wrapping up the Lenten book study
• 07:15 – The theme of divine providence in He Leadeth Me
• 18:40 – Trusting God during discouragement and suffering
• 31:20 – Learning to surrender control to God's will
• 43:50 – Freedom through dependence on God
• 52:30 – Final reflections on Fr. Walter Ciszek’s witness
• 58:00 – Challenge By Choice

Links and Resources:

• He Leadeth Me – Fr. Walter Ciszek
• Martin Center for Integration
• This Whole Life Podcast Website
• 26.2 to Life

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“We were subjected to conditions that were deplorable, even subhuman, and yet I was delighted simply to be with people once again.”
~ Fr. Walter Ciszek

Why do we long so deeply for human connection?
 What does suffering reveal about our humanity?
 How can community become a source of grace?

In episode 95 of This Whole Life, Kenna, Pat, and Fr. Nathan continue their Lenten book study on He Leadeth Me by Fr. Walter Ciszek. In part 2, they explore chapters 8 through 14 and reflect on Ciszek’s experiences after leaving solitary confinement and being sent to a Siberian labor camp. The conversation touches on the human need for connection, the dignity of the body, and how even the most difficult work can become a path to holiness when united to God’s will.

Together they unpack powerful themes from the book including gratitude for the human body, finding meaning in suffering, the dignity of work, and the hidden beauty of priestly ministry in the midst of hardship. They also reflect on the extraordinary lengths priests went to celebrate the Mass in secret and how Ciszek’s faith transformed even the harsh realities of the labor camp into opportunities for grace. Tune in for a thoughtful conversation about discovering God’s presence in the ordinary and difficult moments of life.

Episode 95 Show Notes

Chapters:
0:00: Introduction and Highs & Hards
8:45: From isolation to community in the labor camps
18:10: Seeing the humanity in others, even enemies
24:20: The dignity and resilience of the human body
34:05: Finding meaning in work, even in suffering
43:18: The priesthood and serving others in hidden ways
50:32: Celebrating the Mass in secret
58:58: Challenge By Choice

Reflection Questions

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“Learning the full truth of our dependence upon God and our relation to his will is what the virtue of humility is all about."
~ Fr. Walter Ciszek

Does suffering have a purpose?
What does humility mean for me?
How can I tell God's will from my will?

In episode 94 of This Whole Life, Kenna, Pat & Fr. Nathan kick off their Lenten book study on He Leadeth Me by Fr. Walter Ciszek. In part 1, they dive into the prologue through chapter 7, reflecting on the meaning of suffering, the mystery of God’s providence, and the challenge of surrender. With humor and honesty, the trio relate Fr. Ciszek’s profound lessons on humility, discernment, and finding God in challenging moments. They explore the tension between faith and understanding, and the importance of authentic humility in everyday encounters. Tune in for practical insights, heartfelt stories, and a challenge to deepen your relationship with the Lord this Lent. Come back for Part 2 & 3!

Episode 94 Show Notes

Reflection Questions

Chapters:
0:00: Introduction and Highs & Hards
12:51: He Leadeth Me & the problem of suffering
26:28: The torture of isolation & finding God's will
37:07: No situation is without worth in God's providence
44:48: Evangelizing amid questions & doubts
50:47: He Leadeth Me - humility & dependence on God
58:02: Challenge By Choice

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But don't worry, she can still see.

Addy Diaz returns to This Whole Life to share a hilarious story of gaming, shame, and vulnerability. Listen in!

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“In the world you will have trouble, but take courage, I have conquered the world."
~ John 16:33

What do I do when I feel like giving up?
Is God present even when things feel hopeless?
Is it up to me to solve the problems in the world around me?

In Episode 93 of This Whole Life, Pat and Kenna tackle the challenge of staying sane and spiritually grounded in a world that feels increasingly divided, chaotic, and hopeless. The episode delves into the heavy realities facing our local communities and the broader world—addressing violence, division, and the toll of recent tragedies. Drawing on their backgrounds in faith, therapy, and family life, Pat and Kenna explore the tension between seeking justice and maintaining inner peace, as well as the struggle to trust and engage one another amid strong differences. They offer practical reflections on discerning what is in our control, the importance of empathy, and finding peace rooted in relationship with God rather than public approval. Join them for honest conversation, vulnerability, and encouragement to anchor your sanity—and search for sanctity—in turbulent times.

Episode 93 Show Notes

Reflection Questions

Chapters: 

0:00: Introduction & Olympic game
13:11: Highs & Hards
21:07: Why are things so hard?
30:09: Peace lies between resentment & disengaging
37:23: What is in my control and what isn't?
45:48: Rejecting the pull to seek others' approval
53:07: Challenge By Choice

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You're on a road trip with Jesus. 

Where is he sitting?

Where are you sitting?

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"Cast all your worries upon him because he cares for you."
~ 1 Peter 5:7

What is anxiety, really?
How do I process my anxiety when it's not helpful?
Seriously - thanking God for my anxiety?

In this episode of This Whole Life, Kenna and Pat welcome licensed professional counselor Catherine DiNuzzo for a deep dive into anxiety—what it is, why it happens, and how to manage it. Catherine DiNuzzo shares her insights on the biology of anxiety, her work with clients, and the importance of approaching anxiety with self-compassion rather than fear (or more anxiety). The discussion covers the reasons that God built anxiety into our experience, practical strategies for managing anxiety, and how parents can support anxious children. Highlights include Catherine DiNuzzo’s perspective on thanking God for anxiety, grounding techniques, and the ways the Catholic faith naturally integrates mental wellness. With relatable stories and actionable advice, this episode offers hope, empathy, and spiritual wisdom for anyone looking to find peace amidst the struggles of modern life. And yes, you'll even thank God for your anxiety.

Catherine DiNuzzo, MA, LPC is a Licensed Professional Counselor in private practice, who also operates Sacred Heart Mental Wellness. Catherine earned her Master's Degree in Counseling and Human Services from the University of Colorado-Colorado Springs. Prior to her private practice, Catherine worked for several years in both schools and in agency counseling, especially with Veterans. She has spoken internationally and with many Catholic events & organizations on the topic of mental wellness.

Catherine and her husband, Dave, live in a small rural town in the middle of Kansas with their four amazing children.

Episode 92 Show Notes

Reflection Questions

Chapters:

0:00: Introduction and Highs & Hards
14:02: Why did that make me anxious?
21:55: What is (and isn't) anxiety?
28:06: What causes anxiety?
34:44: But the Bible says to NOT be anxious...
41:30: How do I calm unnecessary anxiety?
48:34: Helping our kids with their anxiety
52:37: Challenge By Choice

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What's it like to have the responsibility of discerning whether a man or woman would be a healthy and suitable priests or religious?

Dr. Anthony Isacco shares his humble insights into the quietly holy work of psychological assessments in the process of discernment.

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"The Lord is close to the brokenhearted, saves those whose spirit is crushed."
~ Psalm 34:19

Is it a sin to be depression?
Is depression really able to be treated and healed?
How can I help my loved one who is suffering with depression?

In the first ever episode of "This Whole Life" recorded in front of a LIVE audience, Pat is joined by Dr. Anthony Isacco to dive into the realities of depression—what it is, how it affects individuals and families, and its complex relationship with faith. The conversation explores common misconceptions, clinical symptoms, and ways to distinguish normal sadness from major depressive disorder. Listeners will find hope as Dr. Isacco shares evidence-based approaches for healing, emphasizing the power of behavioral activation, social connection, and integrated spiritual practices. Full of relatable anecdotes and practical advice, the episode stresses that depression is treatable and offers tangible steps for listeners to support themselves or loved ones. Whether you’re seeking understanding as a parent, friend, or clinician, this episode delivers empathy, science, and faith in one thoughtful package.

Anthony Isacco, PhD is program director, professor, and head of clinical research in the new MS in clinical psychology program at Saint Mary’s University of Minnesota. He is a licensed psychologist and is the principal of a small private practice focused on helping clergy, seminarians, and women religious live healthy, holy, and happy lives in their vocations. He is a graduate of Franciscan University of Steubenville (BA), Boston College (MA), and Loyola University of Chicago (PhD). Dr. Isacco lives in Pittsburgh, PA with his wife and four daughters.

Episode 91 Show Notes

Reflection Questions

Chapters:

0:00: Introduction and Highs & Hards
11:13: Understanding depression
19:46: The relationship between depression & faith
26:36: Is it a sin to be depressed?
36:51: Suggestions for someone who is depressed
43:14: Early signs of depression
50:45: Challenge By Choice

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What does a Wyoming girl do every time she visits the family farm?

Beth Hlabse joins us for this edition of Storytellers and a glimpse of the grandeur, quiet, and beauty of her childhood home.

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