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August 27Will Stablecoins Own Machine-To-Machine Payments? Ft. Christian Catalini
On Ep. 12 of Agentic Commerce, Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, and Bam Azizi, CEO & Founder @ Mesh are joined by Christian Catalini, Founder @ MIT Cryptoeconomics Lab to discuss machine-to-machine payments, why micropayments struggle, AI commoditization and more!

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

03:29 Why agentic commerce became the intersection of AI and crypto

06:53 Incumbents vs crypto rails in agentic commerce

09:48 Machine-to-machine payments, information markets, and agent liability

13:39 Why micropayments struggle and new agent-focused markets may emerge

18:51 The intent economy, agent efficiency, trust, and verification

20:45 Stablecoins, tokenized deposits, cross-border payments, and treasury operations

24:07 Measurable work automation and human verification as the bottleneck

27:59 AI commoditization, routing, proprietary data, and sustainable competitive moats

33:34 Incumbent data advantages versus startup talent and open weights

36:10 How fintech firms can build and control domain-specific AI
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.

Tokenized is also presented by Mesh
As the first global crypto payments network, Mesh makes it possible for anyone — or any agent — to pay or get paid instantly, from any wallet, on any chain, anywhere in the world. Learn more at meshpay.com
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We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
45 min
August 24Every Correspondent Bank Will Support Stablecoins
On Ep. 97 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Ferdinand Dabitz, Co-Founder & CEO @ Augustus and Anna Wroblewska, Chief Business Officer @ Dinari to discuss Stripe’s OpenRouter acquisition, modernizing correspondent banking with stablecoin liquidity, 24/7 tokenized securities and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

03:23 Stripe’s OpenRouter acquisition and model orchestration strategy

08:54 Stablecoin payments for AI inference through MPP

11:00 Financing AI compute infrastructure and rising private credit demand

14:26 Stablecoin card settlement lowering barriers for smaller issuers

16:38 Trapped liquidity, cross-border payments and emerging market stablecoin adoption

20:44 Modernizing correspondent banking with stablecoin liquidity rebalancing

26:24 Tokenized stock models, ownership rights and synthetic instruments

30:29 24/7 tokenized securities, lending markets and index products

35:58 SEC crypto offering rules, token issuance and liquidity

39:06 24/7 financial rails, Fedwire limitations and operational bottlenecks
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is presented by Bridge, a Stripe company.
Just like the internet made information global, stablecoins are making money global. And Bridge, a Stripe company, is the infrastructure powering that shift. Built for speed, scale, and simplicity, Bridge helps businesses send, store, convert, and spend stablecoins instantly, all without borders or having to navigate the complexities of crypto. Learn more at bridge.xyz
Tokenized is supported by Modern Treasury
Modern Treasury offers one API for fiat and stablecoins, helping teams launch payment products in days, enter new markets, and serve more customers. Trusted by companies like Procore, Navan, and Morse, and backed by over $600 billion in payments, learn how to adapt to changing payment rails and scale with confidence at moderntreasury.com

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We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
48 min
August 20Why Thunes Chose Stablecoins for Cross Border
On Ep. 10 of Stablecoin Stories, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo and Ran Goldi, SVP Payments, Fireblocks are joined by Pritpal Shokar, Head of Product, Digital Assets @ Thunes to discuss Thunes stablecoin pre-funding and global payout capabilities, rising stablecoin demand across emerging markets and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

3:34 Real-time settlement versus traditional financial messaging infrastructure

5:22 Stablecoins shifting from speculation toward real-world payment utility

10:25 Thunes stablecoin pre-funding and global payout capabilities

14:04 Rising stablecoin demand across emerging markets and crypto-native customers

16:44 Stablecoin value comes from liquidity, speed and reach

19:47 Compliance challenges bridging traditional finance and crypto infrastructure

26:26 Tokenized assets, agentic payments and continued fiat demand

31:36 Onchain FX and stablecoin liquidity optimization across corridors

33:16 Stablecoins, tokenized money and future machine-to-machine payments
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is also presented by Fireblocks
With over $100 billion in monthly stablecoin volume, Fireblocks powers stablecoin strategies at scale with infrastructure that enables PSPs, fintechs, remitters and banks to issue, move, hold, and manage stablecoins. And it’s all done securely, at scale, and with built-in compliance. Learn more at fireblocks.com

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We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
36 min
August 17Deel Goes Live With Stablecoin Wallet in 80 Markets
On Ep. 96 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Luca Prosperi, Co-Founder & CEO @ M0 and Ryan Bozarth, Co-founder & CEO @ Dakota to discuss Rain acquiring Ansa to put branded wallets on stablecoin rails, stablecoin linked cards, onchain credit and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

1:10 Rain acquires Ansa to put branded wallets on stablecoin rails

2:44 Tokenized loyalty points become liquid, interoperable and convertible with stablecoins

6:55 Stablecoin linked cards become table stakes for neobanks

11:20 Global co-brand cards could combine loyalty with onchain credit

14:45 Brazil imposes 24-hour holds on large stablecoin transfers

18:45 Brazil rules may push stablecoin flows toward self-custodial wallets

25:37 Deel expands stablecoin payroll and earn products across 80 markets

30:54 Vault products raise questions around collateral, risk and scalability

45:04 Nasdaq acquires Level Markets to advance 24/7 capital markets

48:50 Stablecoins connect capital markets, payments and corporate treasury management
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is presented by Bridge, a Stripe company.
Just like the internet made information global, stablecoins are making money global. And Bridge, a Stripe company, is the infrastructure powering that shift. Built for speed, scale, and simplicity, Bridge helps businesses send, store, convert, and spend stablecoins instantly, all without borders or having to navigate the complexities of crypto. Learn more at bridge.xyz
Tokenized is also presented by Fireblocks
With over $100 billion in monthly stablecoin volume, Fireblocks powers stablecoin strategies at scale with infrastructure that enables PSPs, fintechs, remitters and banks to issue, move, hold, and manage stablecoins. And it’s all done securely, at scale, and with built-in compliance. Learn more at fireblocks.com

***

We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
57 min
August 13From Shopify to Sapiom: Building the OS for Agentic Commerce
On Ep. 11 of Agentic Commerce, Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, and Bam Azizi, CEO & Founder @ Mesh are joined by Ilan Zerbib, Founder & CEO @ Sapiom to discuss Sapiom’s vision for agent infrastructure, agent identity, delegated authority, Sapiom’s agent studio and more!

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

4:12 Sapiom’s vision for agent infrastructure

6:43 Agent identity, delegated authority, reputation and agent credit scores

8:59 Why stablecoins could power the machine-to-machine economy

13:41 Sapiom’s agent studio, runtime, governance and intelligent model routing

15:30 Reducing inference costs with open-weight models and dedicated GPUs

21:22 Real-world agent use cases across coding, marketing and advertising

23:47 When agentic commerce and the machine economy will accelerate

24:56 Why consumer reluctance limits autonomous AI shopping adoption

32:12 Why agent interfaces may shift from websites to APIs
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.

Tokenized is also presented by Mesh
As the first global crypto payments network, Mesh makes it possible for anyone — or any agent — to pay or get paid instantly, from any wallet, on any chain, anywhere in the world. Learn more at meshpay.com
***
We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
40 min
August 10The Era of 24/7 Money
On Ep. 95 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Natalya Thakur, Founder & CEO @ Knova and TuongVy Le, General Counsel @ Veda to discuss Western Union and Rain launching Stablecard, stablecoins as opportunity not threat for banks, BlackRock tokenized money market funds for stablecoin reserves and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

2:04 Western Union and Rain launch stablecard in 37 markets

3:46 Idle stablecoin balances and yield earning potential

5:44 Self custodial model attractiveness for internationalization

6:23 Western Union business model shift with wallet plus card

10:00 Stablecoins as opportunity not threat for banks

15:06 Wells Fargo tokenized deposits for corporate clients

19:54 Interoperability risks of bank permissioned blockchain networks

26:41 Safety and soundness concerns with 24/7 programmable deposits

33:57 Cloudflare programmable wallets for AI agent payments

44:02 BlackRock tokenized money market funds for stablecoin reserves
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is presented by Bridge, a Stripe company.
Just like the internet made information global, stablecoins are making money global. And Bridge, a Stripe company, is the infrastructure powering that shift. Built for speed, scale, and simplicity, Bridge helps businesses send, store, convert, and spend stablecoins instantly, all without borders or having to navigate the complexities of crypto. Learn more at bridge.xyz
Tokenized is also presented by Fireblocks
With over $100 billion in monthly stablecoin volume, Fireblocks powers stablecoin strategies at scale with infrastructure that enables PSPs, fintechs, remitters and banks to issue, move, hold, and manage stablecoins. And it’s all done securely, at scale, and with built-in compliance. Learn more at fireblocks.com
Tokenized is supported by Modern Treasury
Modern Treasury offers one API for fiat and stablecoins, helping teams launch payment products in days, enter new markets, and serve more customers. Trusted by companies like Procore, Navan, and Morse, and backed by over $600 billion in payments, learn how to adapt to changing payment rails and scale with confidence at moderntreasury.com

***

We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
55 min
August 06Why Every Bank Needs 24/7 Cash Settlement Now
On Ep. 9 of Stablecoin Stories, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo and Ran Goldi, SVP Payments, Fireblocks are joined by Ryan Rugg, Global Head of Digital Assets @ Citi Token Services to discuss Citi Token Services liquidity management as first use case, programmable smart contracts, the need for multi bank interoperability and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

5:26 Lessons on client pain points from IBM blockchain practice

8:25 Citi Token Services liquidity management as first use case

14:33 Programmable smart contracts for shipping canal payments

18:39 Need for multi bank interoperability and industry owned networks

26:02 Tokenized deposits projected to exceed stablecoin transaction volume

28:28 Compliance challenges with stablecoin transaction history auditing

30:38 Tokenized cash as foundation for atomic settlement of assets
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is also presented by Fireblocks
With over $100 billion in monthly stablecoin volume, Fireblocks powers stablecoin strategies at scale with infrastructure that enables PSPs, fintechs, remitters and banks to issue, move, hold, and manage stablecoins. And it’s all done securely, at scale, and with built-in compliance. Learn more at fireblocks.com

***

We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
36 min
August 03Why Robinhood Are Going All in on Tokenized Stocks and Prediction Markets
On Ep. 94 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo is joined by Rob Hadick, GP @ Dragonfly, Stephen Sikes, COO @ Public and Ethan Chan, Co-Founder & CEO @ Allium to discuss Tokenized stocks as a global expansion strategy for US fintechs, prediction markets surging and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

0:30 Embedded wallet acquisitions and consolidation trends in crypto infrastructure

2:16 Monetization challenges and value accrual for standalone infrastructure providers

5:48 Comparing embedded wallets to Plaid's integration moat and maintainability

9:49 Limited DeFi integrations needed versus traditional fintech like Plaid

12:26 Stablecoin adoption challenges for US brokerage on-ramps and payments

14:52 Tokenized stocks' small scale relative to Robinhood's core equities business

16:36 Tokenized stocks as a global expansion strategy for US fintechs

23:00 Institutional demand for 24/7 trading and tokenized collateral for weekend risk

31:02 Stablecoins overindexed in consumer cross border payments versus fiat

39:43 Prediction markets surge driven by politics, sports, and institutional hedging
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is presented by Tempo.
Payments may look simple, but fraud, chargebacks, compliance and reconciliation create thousands of hidden challenges. Stablecoins help, but don’t solve them all. Tempo tackles these pain points with native account abstraction, block and allow lists, plus fast, predictable fees. Learn more at tempo.xyz
Tokenized is presented by M0
Stablecoins are becoming global financial infrastructure. It's time for that infrastructure to mature. If you're a brand, you should have your own stablecoin set to the behavior of financial flows moving through your product. If you're an issuer, you want to be the stablecoin partner for the most valuable brands. M0 is the only platform where issuers and brands get together to build digital money products for the world. Learn more at m0.org

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We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
56 min
July 30Why Stablecoins Won’t Kill Cards Ft. a16z Partner Noah Levine
On Ep. 10 of Agentic Commerce, Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, and Bam Azizi, CEO & Founder @ Mesh are joined by Noah Levine, Partner @ a16z Crypto to discuss a new class of merchants and buyers emerging, stablecoins won't kill cards but fill gaps, Jevons paradox and more!

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

2:20 Agentic commerce is still very early in development

4:14 New class of merchants and buyers emerging

6:17 Stablecoin and blockchain for AI payment needs

7:37 Stablecoins won't kill cards but fill gaps

11:50 Card networks offer trust and brand value

13:23 Value accrues above payment protocols not in them

16:45 Wallet aggregation and headless merchants are key

21:51 Compute orchestration and real time payment opportunities

29:20 Jevons paradox and streaming payments in finance
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.

Tokenized is also presented by Mesh
As the first global crypto payments network, Mesh makes it possible for anyone — or any agent — to pay or get paid instantly, from any wallet, on any chain, anywhere in the world. Learn more at meshpay.com
***
We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
46 min
July 27Stablecoin Linked Cards Are in Hyper Growth Mode
On Ep. 93 of Tokenized, Simon Taylor, Head of Market Development @ Tempo and Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, are joined by Luke Tuttle, CPTO @ MoneyGram, Charles Yoo-Naut, Co-Founder & CTO @ Rain and Darko Hajdukovic, Head of Digital Markets Infrastructure @ London Stock Exchange Group to discuss LSE nighttime trading venue launching 2027, Tokenized UK government debt instrument DIGIT and more!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction

3:50 London Stock Exchange nighttime trading venue launching 2027

5:09 Tokenized UK government debt instrument called DIGIT explained

8:09 Regulatory recognition of digital assets versus physical assets

13:29 Marqeta partners with zerohash for stablecoin card programs

16:52 Rain full stack issuer versus Marqeta processor agnostic approach

27:57 Ramp launches stablecoin accounts and payments for businesses

35:29 B2B stablecoin adoption for small businesses outside United States

40:25 Augustus raises $180M to build global dollar bank
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is presented by Bridge, a Stripe company.
Just like the internet made information global, stablecoins are making money global. And Bridge, a Stripe company, is the infrastructure powering that shift. Built for speed, scale, and simplicity, Bridge helps businesses send, store, convert, and spend stablecoins instantly, all without borders or having to navigate the complexities of crypto. Learn more at bridge.xyz
Tokenized is also presented by Fireblocks
With over $100 billion in monthly stablecoin volume, Fireblocks powers stablecoin strategies at scale with infrastructure that enables PSPs, fintechs, remitters and banks to issue, move, hold, and manage stablecoins. And it’s all done securely, at scale, and with built-in compliance. Learn more at fireblocks.com
Tokenized is supported by Modern Treasury
Modern Treasury offers one API for fiat and stablecoins, helping teams launch payment products in days, enter new markets, and serve more customers. Trusted by companies like Procore, Navan, and Morse, and backed by over $600 billion in payments, learn how to adapt to changing payment rails and scale with confidence at moderntreasury.com

***

We’d also like to remind you that the views or opinions of our contributors today are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the companies they are representing. Nothing we say should be taken as tax, financial, investment or legal advice, do your own research!

Music by Henry McLean
49 min

About Tokenized

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This show is for the builders, who see stablecoins and tokenized real-world assets as the next step in the finance industry. The tokenization of all assets.