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“Towards a Typology of Strange LLM Chains-of-Thought” by 1a3orn


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LLMs being trained with RLVR (Reinforcement Learning from Verifiable Rewards) start off with a 'chain-of-thought' (CoT) in whatever language the LLM was originally trained on. But after a long period of training, the CoT sometimes starts to look very weird; to resemble no human language; or even to grow completely unintelligible.

Why might this happen?

I've seen a lot of speculation about why. But a lot of this speculation narrows too quickly, to just one or two hypotheses. My intent is also to speculate, but more broadly.

Specifically, I want to outline six nonexclusive possible causes for the weird tokens: new better language, spandrels, context refresh, deliberate obfuscation, natural drift, and conflicting shards.

And I also wish to extremely roughly outline ideas for experiments and evidence that could help us distinguish these causes.

I'm sure I'm not enumerating the full space of [...]

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Outline:

(00:11) Intro

(01:34) 1. New Better Language

(04:06) 2. Spandrels

(06:42) 3. Context Refresh

(10:48) 4. Deliberate Obfuscation

(12:36) 5. Natural Drift

(13:42) 6. Conflicting Shards

(15:24) Conclusion

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First published:

October 9th, 2025

Source:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qgvSMwRrdqoDMJJnD/towards-a-typology-of-strange-llm-chains-of-thought

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