Trinities

By Dale TuggySociety & Culture Religion & Spirituality Christianity Philosophy

Trinities episodes

April 13, 2023podcast 363 – Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth on “mere” social trinitarianism and eternal relations of origin – Part 2
In this episode we get into the depths of Dr. Hollingsworth's new article “Mere Social Trinitarianism, the Eternal Relations of Origin, and Models of God.”
Topics include:
divine timelessness
creation ex nihilo
the divine processions (the Father's eternal generation of the Son and spiration of the Spirit)
the DERO's lack of biblical support
why DERO entered into mainstream Christian tradition
divine aseity
John 1 and Philo's views about God's Logos
2nd century logos theorists
the "Cappadocian fathers" on DERO
Dr. Joshua Sijuwade's views on the processions
some reasons why it is problematic to combine divine temporality with DERO
Hasker vs. Mullins on processions and subordinationism
comparing and contrasting processions with creation
divine immutability
divine impassibility
divine simplicity
God's desire to be reconciled to his creatures
God's real relations to the cosmos
divine temporality
divine simplicity & some of its absurd implications
how simplicity implies the other "classical theism" divine attributes
whether a whole depends on its parts
how God can have multiple properties and not in any undesirable way depend on them
divine attributes which are compatible or incompatible with Social trinitarianism
that Social trinitarianism is committed to one model of God
so-called "classical theism" vs. neoclassical theism (a.k.a. "theistic personalism")
why Dr. Hollingsworth believes in a Social trinitarian theology
Aquinas's claim that Jesus's divine and human natures engage in one "theandric act"
the influence of Platonism and Origen on mainstream catholic theologies in ancient times
the practice of employing what one considers to be the best philosophical theories in the service of theology
why a Protestant should not say that we can't interpret the Bible without reliance on extrabiblical Christian traditions
Links for this episode:
podcast 362 – Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth on “mere” social trinitarianism and eternal relations of origin – Part 1
Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth @ Brewton-Parker College
Dr. Hollingsworth @ Academia.edu
Dr. Thomas McCall
Which Trinity? Whose Monotheism? Philosophical and Systematic Theologians on the Metaphysics of Trinitarian Theology (review)
Origen
Psalm 2:1-9; John 17:5; Exodus 3:14.
This week's thinking music is "bluenotes" by airtone.
1 hr 6 min
April 04, 2023podcast 362 – Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth on “mere” social trinitarianism and eternal relations of origin – Part 1
In this episode we'll meet analytic theologian Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth and discuss his interesting forthcoming article “Mere Social Trinitarianism, the Eternal Relations of Origin, and Models of God” in the Journal of Analytic Theology. Topics include:
"mere" social trinitarianism - the core claims which any "social" trinitarian is committed to
the concept of a self
the idea that God has multiple first-person points of view
why "social" trinitarianism has been popular recently among Christian philosophers and analytic theologians
whether "social" trinitarianism is found in Christian history before the 20th century
what "classical" trinitarianism was, in contrast to "social" trinitarianism
in what sense a "Person" of the Trinity "is God" according to "social" trinitarians
the concept of constitution in Trinity theories and how this relates to worries about tritheism
Chad McIntosh's 4-self Trinity theory
William Lane Craig's suggestion that a "social" trinitarian should insist there are two ways to be divine - one for God the Trinity and one for the divine Persons & his cat-parts analogy
analytic theologian Keith Yandell's social trinitarianism and tritheism objections
Craig's analogy for the Trinity as a soul with three complete sets of cognitive faculties and his Cerberus analogy, and how this relates to real-life human conjoined twins
Dr. Jc Beall's suggestion that the Incarnation and the Trinity should be understood as involving true (real) contradictions
the seeming incoherence of the "Athanasian" creed
the concept of God vs. models of God
the Doctrine of the Eternal Relations of Origin (DERO) - i.e. a traditional trinitarian doctrine of "processions"
the nature of these posited relations of origin - that they must be timeless and causal
whether the divine essence which the Father shares, via these origin relations, with the Son and Spirit is a universal property or a particular property
the medieval suggestion that the "Persons" of the Trinity are "subsistent relations"
one-self Trinity theories
In Part 2 we'll discuss the costs of combining social trinitarianism and DERO.
Links for this episode:
Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth @ Brewton-Parker College
Dr. Hollingsworth @ Academia.edu
Wolfhart Pannenberg (1928-2014)
Umberto Eco
Charles Sanders Pierce
What is "analytic" theology?
Dr. Hollingsworth's review of Thomas H. McCall. Analytic Christology and the Theological Interpretation of the New Testament
Tuggy, "Divine Deception and Monotheism"
three self Trinity theories
John Philoponus on the Trinity
William Sherlock on the Trinity
Scott Williams, "Discovery of the Sixth Ecumenical Council’s Trinitarian Theology: Historical, Ecclesial, and Theological Implications"
podcast 28 – Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God – Part 2
podcast 27 – Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God – Part 1
podcast 300 – Does the New Testament teach Trinity Monotheism? – with Dale Glover – Part 2
podcast 299 – Does the New Testament teach Trinity Monotheism? – with Dale Glover – Part 1
podcast 297 – Assessing Craig’s “Trinity Monotheism” – with Dale Glover – Part 2
podcast 296 – Assessing Craig’s “Trinity Monotheism” – with Dale Glover – Part 1
the seven "ecumenical" councils
Dr. Ryan Mullins on “the Trinity”
Trinity as Incoherent
podcast 325 – Dr. Jc Beall – The Contradictory Christ – Part 2
podcast 324 – Dr. Jc Beall – The Contradictory Christ – Part 1
podcast 4 – Anglicans vs. “Athanasius”
podcast 2 – the “Athanasian Creed”
The Orthodox Formulas 2: The Council of Constantinople (381)
one-self Trinity theories
This week's thinking music is "roboduck" by airtone.
51 min
February 22, 2023podcast 361 – A Lutheran pastor explains Socinianism and biblical unitarianism
In this episode I interact with a video by Lutheran Pastor Joshua Sullivan at Holy Cross Lutheran Church in Kerrville, Texas. A listener asked him for his views on "Socinianism" and this so-called "biblical unitarianism," and why they contradict the Bible.
He replies with some descriptions and definitions, and then gives some arguments as to why these sorts of views are unbiblical.
I interact with his video, agreeing, disagreeing, and adding a lot of information - historical, theological, and sociological.
Topics include:
"Socinians" and Socinus
"Arians"
"biblical unitarians"
"unitarian Christians"
Whether unitarian Christianity can be defined by a "rationalistic" methodological stance.
Whether unitarian Christians think Jesus is in any sense "divine."
Traditional catholic views on generation and procession, and why most unitarian Christians don't accept these - like some present-day trinitarians!
unitarian views on atonement and salvation
unitarian views on "the holy spirit"
Characterizations of unitarian Christians as "deniers" of various things.
How anti-Calvinistic today's unitarians are
18th-19th British and American unitarian Christianity
Traditional catholic appeals to "mystery" in the face of theological problems.
So-called "classical theism"
Various traditional catholic claims which are neither self-evident nor taught in Scripture, but which are widely assumed in trinitarian circles.
How to prove an impossibility claim, e.g. it would be impossible for a non-divine Jesus to "fully" reveal God.
Whether worshiping a non-divine Jesus is the sin of idolatry.
2 (literal) definitions of "idolatry"
Whether Scripture teaches that it is wrong to worship anyone unless they are fully divine.
The implications of Jesus' exaltation to God's right hand.
Whether Jesus claims essential equality with the Father.
Pastor Sullivan argues that if unitarian Christian views were true then:
the Father wouldn't be a real father and the Son wouldn't be a real son
the Son wouldn't be the brightness of God's glory or a true image of God
God would have changed, so would not be essentially immutable
the Son wouldn't be able to "fully" reveal God
Jesus couldn't truly say that if you've seen him you've seen the Father
Jesus would basically be like other prophets, and not in a class of his own
Jesus would have been unable to do any miracles.
Jesus could not truly be called our "savior."
It would be wrong for us to worship Jesus
I explain why, for various reasons, these are not powerful objections to the views of unitarian Christians.
Links for this episode:
Pastor Sullivan's video
The Racovian Catechism
An Interview With Dr. Dale Tuggy - by J. Dan Gill
Biblicalunitarian.com
podcast 357 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 2
podcast 356 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 1
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale’s opening statement
podcast 358 – Baptist Justice: Samuel Eddy on Scripture, Church Discipline, and the Trinity
Clarifying Catholic Christologies - by Dr. Dale Tuggy
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
Debate - "Is Jesus Human and not Divine?" - Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
The aloneness argument against classical theism
podcast 227 – Who Should Christians Worship?
podcast 167 – Lamson’s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists
Biblical Unitarian Podcast 204: An Introduction to the Theme of Misunderstanding in the Gospel of John
Biblical Unitarian Podcast 211: Jesus’ Misunderstood Father (John 8)
What John 1 meant
podcast 70 – The one God and his Son according to John
podcast 52 – John Locke’s The Reasonableness of Christianity, Part 1
podcast 286 – Is the Trinity Essential? – Three Views
What is essential to the gospel, according to Luke?
John 17:1-3, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Ephesians4:4-6: John 10: John 20:17; John 5:23; Phil 2:10-11; Act 2:22; John 14:10; John 3:34; Malachi 3:6; Revelation 5; Exodus 20:4-6; Matthew 4:10; John 8:40; John 5:15-47.
This week's thinking music is "I dunno" by grapes.
59 min
January 31, 2023podcast 360 – What is unitarian Christianity?
This episode is a short interview of Dale Tuggy by Tyler Hummel for his podcast The AntiSocial Network. He asked questions which a lot of people have about unitarian Christianity, such as:
What is unitarian Christianity?
How does unitarian Christianity differ from the UU (Unitarian Universalism) religion?
What is the Unitarian Christian Alliance?
What are the core theses of any unitarian Christian theology?
Why do some think that "unitarian Christian" is an oxymoron?
How does unitarian Christianity relate to the Protestant Reformation?
How far back does trinitarianism go back in the history of Christian theologies?
What sort of people to unitarian Christians tend to be?
Is "the doctrine of the Trinity" so popular now because it (or at least "the deity of Christ") is taught in the Gospel according to John?
What is "the canon within the canon" when it comes to traditional theologies?
How can one say that Christ isn't divine given that he's risen from the dead, ascended to heaven, and has since appeared to or visited various people?
Doesn't the worship of Jesus we see in the New Testament presuppose that Jesus is God?
Doesn't the reaction of some of Jesus' contemporaries show that he was claiming to be divine?
Why is unitarian Christianity currently such a small minority view among Christians?
Why were there a lot of unitarian Christians in early America (late 1700s - mid 1800s)?
Why did 19th c. American Congretationalist unitarianism practically die out?
For more on the historical development of mainstream Christian views about God, his Son, and his spirit, see these two episodes with Bill Schlegel.
https://trinities.org/blog/evolution-of-the-trinity-with-bill-schlegel/
For more on the historical transition for the one God as the Father to the one God as the Trinity, see this interview of me by Carlos Xavier or the linked published paper.
https://youtu.be/DwmgUjxS1yU
For more on the odd situation of "the doctrine of the Trinity" in Christianity today, check out this presentation "The Six Stages of Trinitarian Commitment."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEr7Em9wkV8
For more on the Trinity and the Bible, here's an interview by apologist and Philosopher-Theologian Dr. Randal Rauser.
https://youtu.be/esarCM1vmps
Links for this episode:
The AntiSocial Network podcast
Higher Ground Church
Church of God General Conference
Unitarian Christian Alliance (FAQ)
podcast 281 – Introducing the Unitarian Christian Alliance
Unitarian Universalism
podcast 168 – The Death of Unitarian Congregationalism
podcast 167 – Lamson’s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists
Restitutio 439 The Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement (Eric Miller)
podcast 309 – Channing’s “Unitarian Christianity” – Part 2
podcast 308 – Channing’s “Unitarian Christianity” – Part 1
What is the Trinity?
What John 1 Meant
podcast 76 – Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho – Part 3
podcast 75 – Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho – Part 2
podcast 74 – Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho – Part 1
podcast 11 – Tertullian the unitarian
podcast 270 – Origen’s “one God”
Clarifying Catholic Christologies
podcast 335 – Pastor Jeff Deuble’s Christ Before Creeds
podcast 334 – “Who do you say I am?”
A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament
podcast 70 – The one God and his Son according to John
Jesus’s argument in John 10
The Biblical Unitarian Podcast 204: An Introduction to the Theme of Misunderstanding in the Gospel of John
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
Worship and Revelation 4-5
podcast 227 – Who Should Christians Worship?
Bock and Loke on Jesus’s “blasphemy” in Mark 14 – Part 1
podcast 260 – How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian
podcast 226 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 3 – post-biblical uses of biblical words, and new words
podcast 225 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 2 – Old “Lord” vs. New “Lord”
podcast 224 – Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 – God and “God” in the Bible
podcast 164 – On Counting Gods
This week's thinking music is "Into the J" by Admiral Bob.
36 min
January 23, 2023 podcast 359 – Where We Stand
This episode is a slightly updated version of my opening address to the second annual Unitarian Christian Alliance Conference in October 2022.
In it, I describe the Reformation context of today's unitarian Christian movement. Increasingly, Christians are trading in traditional confusions for New Testament clarity when it comes to the one God and his Son.
After briefly outlining a unitarian Christian theology and christology using the words of Scripture, I discuss what typically happens when trinitarians thus reform their thinking. Generally, they are in the market for a new church. I then explain how the UCA helps to network believers and fellowships using its website.
I then briefly describe our 2022 Conference Partners: Church of God General Conference, Spirit and Truth, Living Hope International Ministries, Allegiance to the King, Williamsburg Christadelphian Foundation, Lord’s Harvest International, Compass Christian Church, Integrity Syndicate, TruthBorn, Christian Centered Counseling, Yahweh-TV, and the trinities podcast.
Then I highlight the awesome efforts of two UCA Board members: these videos (and the one below) and the UCA Podcast.
Finally, I mention some things which are coming up for the UCA and for me in 2023.
https://youtu.be/vLqhxwV7Z8c
Links for this episode:
Here's a printable pdf of this talk "Where We Stand: 2022."
a survey of competing Trinity theories
podcast 302 – The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me
What John 1 Meant
The official UCA Twitter account
Theophilus Press
Living Hope International Ministries
Church of God General Conference
Spirit and Truth
Allegiance to the King
Williamsburg Christadelphian Foundation
Lord's Harvest International
Compass Christian Church
Integrity Syndicate
TruthBorn
Christian Centered Counseling
Yahweh TV
Higher Ground Church
Thomas Emlyn, An Humble Inquiry into the Scripture-Account of Jesus Christ
Thomas Gaston, Dynamic Monarchianism: The Earliest Christology?
Dale Tuggy, Monotheism, History, and Heresy
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
Judges 12; John 15:15; Mark 12:30; Matthew 6:9; John 17:1-3; John 8:40; Acts 2:22; John 20:17; Revelation 3:12; Ephesians 1:17; Colossians 1:15; John 14:9; 1 Timothy 2:5; seen the f; 1 Timothy 2:5.
This week's thinking music is "High Above the Darkness (My Star)" by Admiral Bob.
42 min
December 21, 2022 podcast 358 – Baptist Justice: Samuel Eddy on Scripture, Church Discipline, and the Trinity
Samuel Eddy (1768-1839) was at the height of his career Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the state of Rhode Island. He was also a prominent member of the First Baptist Church in Providence. Like others, he'd just assumed that the doctrine of the Trinity is both true and taught in the Bible. Yes, he'd heard talk of unitarians, but those aren't Christians, right? So he never bothered to hear their side of the argument. He tells us that what finally caused him to investigate these matters were faulty arguments he encountered on the trinitarian side for the underived power and full deity of Christ.
Not having read any unitarian literature, he decided, like a good Protestant, that the answer to these debates must be in Scripture, so he went through the whole New Testament and wrote out every text that was relevant to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He tells us that the "result was a full conviction that the Father was the only true God, and that Christ was not the Father, that is, that being whom Christ asserts to be the only true God."
In this episode you'll hear a statement Eddy presented to the leadership committee of his church when they demanded an account of his theology, which later became a widely-read and often-reprinted tract called: Reasons Offered by Samuel Eddy, LL. D., Late Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Rhode Island, for His Opinions to the First Baptist Church in Providence, from which He was Compelled to Withdraw for Heterodoxy.
On both theology and procedure, he confronts his Baptist brethren for choosing post-biblical traditions over clear biblical teachings. Eddy makes what are at first glance some radical claims about what the New Testament teaches. Are you persuaded? Why or why not?
Links for this episode:
The text presented here is my modernized version of the 1855 reprint of Reasons Offered in this interesting book.
The First Baptist Church in America
First Unitarian Church of Providence
Samuel Eddy @ wikipedia
Samuel Eddy's tombstone in Providence
podcast 357 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 2
podcast 356 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 1
podcast 191 – Ware’s Outline of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity
podcast 309 – Channing’s “Unitarian Christianity” – Part 2
podcast 308 – Channing’s “Unitarian Christianity” – Part 1
podcast 201 – Kermit Zarley on Reformation – Part 2
podcast 200 – Kermit Zarley on Reformation – Part 1
podcast 349 – Craig-Tuggy dialogue on trinitarian vs. unitarian theologies
podcast 168 – The Death of Unitarian Congregationalism
podcast 167 – Lamson’s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists
Luke 4:16; 1 Peter 2:21; John 16:2; Acts 18:21, 24; Acts 11:3; Acts 1:5, 12, 21, 27; 1 Corinthians 15:12, 34; 1 Corinthians 1:2, 6, 11, 15, 34; Acts 8:37; Romans 10:9, 14; Romans 4:17-18; Philippians 3:15-16; Romans 15:7; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Ephesians 5:20; Colossians 3:16-17; Hebrews 13:15; John 18:37; 2 Timothy 1:10; John 17:3; Acts 19:2; Matthew 3:11; Acts 24:14, 18, 13; John 17:3; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; Luke 10:21, 23, 46; John 20:17; Matthew 27:4; Mark 9:36; Mark 12:29, 32; John 5:18-19, 30; John 10:30, 36; Mark 12:32; Mark 10:18; 1 Corinthians 8:4, 6; Ephesians 4:5-6; Ephesians 1:17; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Corinthians 3:23; Romans 6:10; 2 Corinthians 13:4; John 6:57; 1 Corinthians 15:28; 1 Timothy 6:15-16; Jude 4; Acts 4:24, 26-27; Acts 17:24, 29; Luke 10:21; Mark 13:19; Isaiah 44:24; Isaiah 44:12; 1 John 5:20; Hebrews 1:2, 4 ,6 ,9; Hebrews 2:9, 17; Colossians 1:15, 19; John 1:18; John 4:10; Matthew 16:16; Revelation 3:4; Acts 2:36; Acts 5:31; Acts 17:31; Ephesians 1:22; Philippians 2:9; Jude 4; 1 Timothy 6:15-16; 1 John 2:22-23; Matthew 9:8; John 20:23; Exodus 23:20-21; Luke 5:17; Luke 2:40; Acts 2:22; Acts 10:38; Matthew 12:28; Luke 21:20; John 14:10; Matthew 6:6, 9; John 16:23; John 4:22, 24.
This week's thinking music is "Bluenotation" by Ezra Skull.
58 min
November 14, 2022podcast 357 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 2
There are no verses that define God as being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
There are no verses that define God as three, three in one, or a multiple.
There are no verses that say that Jesus has two natures or two minds.
There are no verses that say Jesus is a God-man, or that he is fully God and fully man.
There are no verses that call Jesus “eternally begotten,” the bible says he was begotten or “born” by Mary.
Why Biblical Unitarianism?
In this second half of my wide-ranging conversation with recent seminary graduate Johnny Barnes, we discuss:
further advice for Christians re-thinking the issue of the Bible and "the Trinity"
the importance of what is NOT in the New Testament for deciding whether these authors are trinitarian or unitarian
"the Holy Spirit" in the New Testament
why Jesus is to be honored or worshiped according to the New Testament
systematic theologians' desire to "go beyond the basics" of the Trinity
"the deity of Christ" vs. theories that God is the Trinity
how to get around fruitless proof-text wars and the cheap accusation that unitarian Christians merely "assume unitarianism"
the shallow and misleading way that many today teach the early history of Christian theologies and christologies
the REV Bible
why literal isn't always best when it comes to translation
advice for and a challenge to seminary students
Thanks to Johnny Barnes for a good conversation!
Links for this episode:
John 17:5; John 17:1-3; John 5:44; Philippians 2:11; Revelation 5:9-14; Acts 5:3, John 1:18 (REV commentary); Matthew 1:18; Matthew 1:20; Colossians 1:15.
Spirit & Truth
the REV Bible
biblicalunitarian.com
“the only true President” of the USA, another laughable Fox News blunder
Reading comprehension quiz: Johann 17:1-3
the NET Bible
The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale’s opening statement
a reading of Philippians 2:5-11
Katherine Sonderegger
Evolution of the Trinity – with Bill Schlegel
The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology
podcast 348 – Novatian’s On the Trinity – Part 2 – Two Thieves and Three Arguments
podcast 347 – Novatian’s On the Trinity – Part 1 – Almost Pope
Why you can ignore “Sharp’s Rule”
podcast 176 – Photinus of Sirmium
podcast 26 – Pastor Sean Finnegan on “the Holy Spirit” – Part 2
podcast 25 – Pastor Sean Finnegan on “the Holy Spirit” – Part 1
This week's thinking music is "La Bella" by Mr. Smith.
49 min
November 09, 2022 podcast 356 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 1
Johnny Barnes earned a Master of Arts in Theological Studies from Dallas Theological Seminary. When he took the required class on the Trinity, he couldn't help but notice that many of the texts appealed to in order to support the Trinity were problematic in various ways. And he did not see anyone in Scripture appealing to "mystery" to attempt to deal with problems of coherence.
Finding out online that there are biblical unitarian Christians, he decided to look into these issues, and he became convinced that New Testament theology is unitarian and not trinitarian, in other words, that it teaches the one God to be the Father himself, not a three-and-one or tripersonal deity which is never mentioned.
. . . if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NET Bible)
In this first half of our conversation we discuss Mr. Barnes's spiritual background, his time at Dallas Theological Seminary, his experience in their required Trinity class, problems for "two-natures" theories about Jesus, how present-day seminary education virtually ignores unitarian Christianity and seems uninterested in hearing both sides of the argument, clashing evangelical views on whether or not one must believe in the Trinity to be saved, the reactions of his friends to his change of mind, the reaction of DTS to his change of mind, various unitarian people and sources he found helpful as he was deliberating, and what he is doing now.
Links for this episode:
Three recent whistleblowers
RTS Dallas
Dallas Theological Seminary
REV note on John 1:18
Kegan Chandler
Chaldler, "Unorthodox Christology in General Baptist History: The Legacy of Matthew Caffyn"
"Negative Mysterianism" about the Trinity
Eutychianism
the Council of Chalcedon
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
Debate - Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Dr. Michael Brown
biblicalunitarian.com
Spirit and Truth
REV Bible
Channing vs. Stuart on the Trinity and the Incarnation
podcast 191 – Ware’s Outline of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity
What is essential to the gospel, according to Luke?
Proverbs 18:17
Sean Finnegan
Restitutio podcast
Jerry Wierwille
Dale Tuggy - What John 1 Meant (UCA Conference 2021)
The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology - by Dr. Dale Tuggy
podcast 189 – The unfinished business of the Reformation
podcast 252 – Fred Sanders on Seeing the Trinity in Scripture, and his Secret
podcast 63 – Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58
What is the Trinity?
podcast 260 – How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian
Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:22; Romans 10:9
podcast 286 – Is the Trinity Essential? – Three Views
podcast 2 – the “Athanasian Creed”
Samuel Clarke
Gregory of Nazianzus on the Three and the One
transubstantiation
This week's thinking music is "Streamliner" by Mr. Smith.
1 hr
September 26, 2022 podcast 355 – Dr. Steven Nemes on Trinity theories – Part 2
In this second half of our wide-ranging conversation inspired by his epic tweet thread on Trinity theories, our topics include: the "Persons" of the Trinity as modes, the New Testament authors as "primitive" theologians, divine simplicity, "social" Trinity theories, divine processions or lack thereof, mythological tales about what the three Persons before creation, the misfit between Scriptural language and trinitarian language, what I call "the problem of the missing Amigo," standards of intellectual rigor in theology, "the Trinity" as a shibboleth, the recent idea that to show his solidarity with us God himself died on the cross for us, the traditional idea of divine impassibility, mysterian defenses of trinitarian traditions, how we could know what exactly it is that The Tradition demands about "the Trinity," how Trinity theories relate to religious freedom, Roman Catholics' relatively recent embrace of religious freedom and tolerance, why Dr. Nemes considers himself to be a post-catholic theologian, religious minorities in traditionally Eastern Orthodox countries like Romania and Russia, God's allowing theological and practical errors within mainstream Christianity, how we should view the "ecumenical creeds," how "consensus" was reached at the end of the "Arian" controversy, converts to Catholicism and Orthodoxy, Dr. Nemes' view that Trinity theories should be viewed as tolerable opinions but not dogma, paradigm shifts, the value of reason and reasonable arguments in theology, odium theologicum, and apologetics as trash-talking the "heretics."
Thanks to Dr. Nemes for a good conversation!
Links for this episode:
9th c. image of the emperor Constantine having "Arian" books burned (credit)
Dr. Nemes’s website
Dr. Nemes @ Twitter
Dr. Nemes’s Tweet thread which inspired this conversation.
Barth & Rahner on the Trinity
divine simplicity
Classical Theism: Is God Personal Like Us? Ryan Mullins + Steven Nemes
podcast 145 – ‘Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!
podcast 31 – Dr. William Hasker on the “Arian” Controversy
podcast 22 – a cure for odium theologicum
podcast 271 – Does your Trinity theory require relative identity?
"There is no salvation outside the Church."
10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity – #6 get a date – part 2
Wolfhart Pannenberg
podcast 248 – How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible
How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament
the evolution of my views on the Trinity
James 3:13-18
This week's thinking music is "La Bella" by Mr. Smith.
1 hr 5 min
September 20, 2022 podcast 354 – Dr. Steven Nemes on Trinity theories – Part 1
Twitter is my favorite social media site. I enjoy short social media posts, and series of short posts. It's a good place for the opinionated to hold forth briefly. As they say, brevity is the soul of wit.
Recently I noticed an interesting and insightful thread, a series of tweets, on "the doctrine of the Trinity" by analytic theologian Dr. Steven Nemes. I thought, "This is worth a conversation!"
In this and the next episode, you'll hear that conversation. Dr. Nemes and I do, in the course of our conversation, deviate from the subject of Trinity theories. In this episode you'll also hear about the relationship between God and the cosmos, appeals to "mystery," "the doctrine of the Trinity" as a shibboleth, claims that there is no good anology for the Trinity, why Dr. Nemes is not opposed to "the doctrine of the Trinity" but is opposed to its being mandatory, and his general approach to Christian theologies.
Links for this episode:
Dr. Nemes's website
Dr. Nemes @ Twitter
Dr. Nemes's Tweet thread which inspired this and the next episode.
“Words of Life” with Dr. Steven Nemes @ YouTube
The Reluctant Theologian Episode 80: The Phenomenology of Scripture with Steven Nemes
William Vallicella, A Paradigm Theory of Existence: Onto-Theology Vindicated
podcast 84 – Dr. William Vallicella on Existence and God
podcast 83 – The Spiritual Journey of a Maverick Philosopher
Moltmann, The Crucified God
Ulrich Zwingli, a.k.a. Huldrych Zwingli (1484 –1531)
Adolf von Harnack (1851–1930)
Michel Henry (1922–2002)
podcast 31 – Dr. William Hasker on the “Arian” Controversy
podcast 30 – The Council of Nicea
podcast 29 – Arius
podcast 28 – Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God – Part 2
podcast 27 – Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God – Part 1
The Standard Opening Move
Augustine, On the Trinity (@SEP)
John of Damascus (c. 676–749)
Karl Barth (1886–1968)
When and How in the History of Theology Did the Triune God Replace the Father as the Only True God?
Vladimir Latinovic, "Arius Conservativus? The Question of Arius’ Theological Belonging"
Mark Edwards, Catholicity and Heresy in the Early Church
shiboleth
podcast 232 – Trinity Club Orientation
Robert Sokolowski, The God of Faith and Reason: Foundations of Christian Theology
panentheism
occasionalism
Feser, "David Bentley Hart’s Post-Christian Pantheism"
podcast 349 – Craig-Tuggy dialogue on trinitarian vs. unitarian theologies
Peter van Inwagen and Michael Rea on the Trinity
Berengar of Tours, a.k.a. Berengarius Turonensis (d. 1088)
Lanfranc of Bec (d. 1089)
This week's thinking music is "Jonah's Message for New York" by Dr. Turtle.
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