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  • 304. Al Elliott: "I've just ruined the last three years of my life.", Our co-host talks business, bankruptcy and the meaning of success

    Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture.

    This week, we are adjusting our usual format for a specific reason. Co-host Al Elliott recently celebrated his birthday, so Leanne is taking over the reins to give him a brief respite from the standard news cycle. Instead, we are answering our most requested listener query: an analytical retrospective into the operational history, the high-stakes decisions, the failures, and the legal battles of Al’s career as a serial entrepreneur.

    In this special episode, we dissect a highly unconventional career path. From being recognised as a "42 under 42" breakout entrepreneur to navigating a complex £103,000 personal bankruptcy, Al shares the raw realities of scaling businesses from the ground up—and how hitting rock bottom ultimately informed his blueprint for ethical, sustainable growth.


    📈 Strategic Takeaways From This Episode

    1. Operations & Turnaround: From Bottom Tier to Market Leader

    Al details his early career in hospitality management, outlining the strategic operational changes required to take a underperforming Manchester student venue from the 27th worst in the region to the number-one position in total sales volume.


    2. Regulatory Arbitrage: Exploiting Systemic Loopholes

    Discover the origins of Al's first major tech start-up: an after-hours alcohol delivery service. He explains the technical loop-hole he engineered around credit card transaction processing windows to legally bypass strict UK licensing frameworks—and the bespoke 50-binder software system required to protect the operation.


    3. Risk Management & Insolvency: Navigating a £103K Bankruptcy

    When capital markets dried up post-dot-com bubble, Al faced a devastating cash crunch resulting in asset repossession and a £103,000 bankruptcy. He discusses the psychological toll of financial restructuring, the operational dangers of relying on short-term credit, and why shifting toward an American perspective on corporate failure can turn insolvency into a critical founders' credential.


    4. Ethical Scalability: Building a 38-Property Portfolio Out of Crisis

    How do you launch a real estate venture with maximum capital constraints? Leveraging high market empathy and strategic partnerships, Al built a 38-property portfolio during the dawn of the 2008 global financial crisis. Learn how his startup outmanoeuvred corporate institutional landlords by designing an innovative, ethical "99-year tenancy" model for families facing foreclosure.


    5. Founder Fallacies: Why Ego Destroys Early-Stage Ventures

    Al offers critical advice for modern founders and next-generation executives. His primary directive: eliminate overhead-heavy vanity metrics, suppress founder ego, and prioritise rapid market validation over theoretical perfection. He shares the costly mistake of investing £40,000 into premium office infrastructure before securing an initial proof-of-concept, and argues for a biased-toward-action framework.


    📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

    – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork

    – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
    – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
    – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


    Mental health support

    UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org

    UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
    US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
    Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
    Global helplines
    https://findahelpline.com


    Truth, Lies & Work is a proud part of the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals.


    1 hr 15 min
  • 303. What can veterans teach us about leadership? With Danny Wareham, Major General (Ret) Matt Smith and James Hardie

    Welcome back to this special live edition of Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture. This week, Al, Leanne and Associate Producer Georgia, are joined by three exceptional experts to explore a straightforward but powerful question: what does the military do differently when it comes to leadership, and what can businesses actually learn from it?

    Most organisations say leadership matters, but many are just guessing. We promote based on length of service, confuse being "in charge" with being a leader, and create cultures where capable people are too afraid to speak up. The military, however, has spent decades perfecting the art of building instant trust and providing the clarity needed for independent action.


    🔥 Key Themes Covered

    1. What 'Mission Command' Actually Means

    James Hardie and Major General Matt Smith break down the concept of Mission Command: providing a clear goal and the "commander's intent," then trusting your people to figure out the "how". While most businesses are flexible at the top and rigid at the bottom, the military provides a structure that empowers disciplined initiative at every level.

    2. Trust as a Starting Point, Not a Prize

    Danny Wareham explains the "trust gap." In the military, trust is often assumed based on shared competency; it only reduces if proven otherwise. In civilian life, we often make people earn it slowly through "presenteeism" and internal politics, which slows down performance and kills initiative.

    3. Leadership Emerges, It Isn't Assigned

    We discuss the concept of leaderless leadership (or constellation leadership). If the mission and culture are strong enough, they can effectively replace the need for a traditional "boss". We explore how leadership should shift situationally to whoever has the most relevant expertise in the moment.

    4. The "Liminal State" of Transition

    James discusses his research on the experience of veterans moving into civilian roles. He describes the "liminality"—the uncertain journey between two identities—and why veterans often struggle, not because they lack skills, but because civilian organisations aren't built to receive what they bring.

    5. Calmness Under Pressure

    Major General Matt Smith shares a powerful story from ground combat in Afghanistan, illustrating that a leader's most effective tool in a crisis isn't shouting—it's maintaining a level of calmness that signals to the team that everything is under control.


    🎙️ The Guests

    • Danny Wareham: Certified Business Psychologist and author of Constellation.

      • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/danny-wareham

      • Website: firgun.co.uk

      • Major General (Ret) Matt Smith: A 32-year US Army veteran and head of the Master in Business for Veterans programme at Emory University.

        • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/smithmattd

        • James Hardie: Former RAF helicopter pilot and organisational psychologist.

          • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/james-hardie72

          • Website: coursecorrection.co.uk

            📬 Connect with the show

            – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork
            – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
            – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne

            – Georgia Hodkinson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-hodkinson-gmbpss/

            – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat



            Mental health support

            UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org
            UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
            US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
            Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
            Global helplines: https://findahelpline.com


            1 hr 23 min
          • 302. How Do You Stop Being the Person Everything Falls On? PLUS! Bot bosses, poisoned chocolate and the dumbest Teams call mistake. With Cait Donovan

            Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture. This week, we are skipping Truth or Lie because we have a massive, jam-packed episode featuring the brilliant Cait Donovan! Cait is a culture and leadership keynote speaker, host of Fried: The Burnout Podcast, and author of an upcoming book out later this year.

            Together, we tackle the existential anxiety of AI, the baffling world of employee retaliation, a hilariously disastrous federal crime, and a deep-dive workplace surgery to help you protect your energy and lead authentically.


            🔥 Stories covered

            1. Word of the Week: Circling Forward

              Leanne introduces a phrase coined in an Esquire article by Kyle MacNeill exploring why so many workers feel pessimistic about the future of work. "Circling forward" is the idea that progress doesn't move in a straight line.
              Esquire Article Link: https://apple.news/AqVByb5pFTsKcDzvf_F50iA

            2. When Candour Hurts the Business (and Someone Poisons the Chocolate)

              Cait brings a highly controversial Harvard Business School article by Henrico Castro-Pires to the table. The research suggests that managers are giving overinflated performance reviews to mediocre employees because they are terrified of employee retaliation—ranging from workplace gossip to an extreme case where an employee dumped ethanol into a tank of melted chocolate.
              Harvard Business School Article Link: https://www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/when-candor-hurts-the-business-economics-of-employee-retaliation

            3. Two Brothers, One Firing, and the Ultimate Teams Call Blunder

              Al shares a wild, real-life crime story from February 2025 involving two brothers, Muneeb and Sohaib Akhter, who were fired from government contractor Opexus on a joint Microsoft Teams call.
              Ars Technica Article Link: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/05/drop-database-what-not-to-do-after-losing-an-it-job/

              💬 Workplace Surgery with Cait Donovan

              • Question 1: How do I stop being the person everything falls on?

                A listener feels completely burnt out after taking on the responsibilities of four roles without a pay raise or promotion, fearing that pushing back will make them look like they can't cope.

              • Question 2: Hiding the wires as a senior leader.

                A executive leader admits they are burning out but feels it is unsafe to tell their team, their board, or their peers, wondering if leadership is just a sustained pretence that everything is fine.

              • Question 3: Trapped in a culture of meeting overload.

                A leader spends three-quarters of their day in meetings, leaving them cognitively empty when it's time for strategic thinking. They’ve tried blocking out calendar time, but the culture runs on meetings as a currency of power and information.

                Connect with Cait Donovan

                To learn more about Cait's corporate workshops, keynote speaking, and her mission to eradicate chronic stress, visit her website or connect with her on social media. Don't forget to listen to Leanne's guest appearance on Fried: The Burnout Podcast this week!

                – Website: https://www.caitdonovan.com
                – BurnBold Website: https://www.burnbold.com
                – Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/caitdonovanspeaks
                – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caitdonovan


                📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork
                – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                Mental health support

                UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org
                UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
                US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
                Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
                Global helplines: https://findahelpline.com


                🎧 Truth, Lies & Work is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals. Find more incredible business shows at https://b2b.hubspot.com/podcast-network

                58 min
              • 301. Are you too smart to succeed in business? With Dr Rosenna Bakari

                Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioral science meets workplace culture.

                Have you ever wondered why some of the most brilliant people struggle to get a business off the ground? This week, we are joined by Dr. Rosenna Bakari, a psychologist, empowerment expert, and author of Seven Exits.

                Rosenna’s story is a wake-up call for high achievers. After heading to Cornell at 17, earning her PhD, and building a lauded career in academia, she hit a brick wall when she tried to become an entrepreneur. She discovered that the very skills that make you "right" in a classroom—intellect, working alone, and academic rigor—can actually be the primary barriers to success in the real world.


                🔥 What We Discuss in This Episode

                In this episode, we dive into the psychology of "leaving where you are" and the seven exits you must take to truly grow.

                • The Hyper Ego: Why smart people often lean into defensiveness instead of awareness when things go wrong.

                • The "Right vs. Solved" Dilemma: The one question from a mentor that changed Rosenna’s life: "Do you want to be right, or do you want to solve the problem?"

                • The Trap of Passion and Purpose: Why treating passion like intellect can blind you to what the market actually needs.

                • Transitioning from Books to People: Why shifting from a high regard for knowledge to a focus on relationships is the essential "knob" to turn for business growth.

                • The 200-Call Challenge: Rosenna’s journey of moving from a "safe" academic facade to vulnerable, human outreach.


                  🧠 Key Lessons for Founders and Leaders

                  1. Your Intelligence is a Tool, Not a Passport: It can get you in the door, but it won't keep the door open. At some point, you have to change how you show up.

                  2. Check Your Ego Before You Blame the Market: When a project fails, the first question shouldn't be about the economy; it should be: "How am I getting in my own way?"

                  3. The "Respect vs. Like" Reality: If you believe it doesn't matter if people like you as long as they respect you, entrepreneurship might not be for you. Business moves at the speed of relationships.

                    🔗 Connect with Dr. Rosenna Bakari

                    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosenna-bakari-ph-d-b3120194/

                    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dr._bakari_empowerment
                    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@rosennabakari5535
                    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sevenexits_rosennabakari/
                    Website: https://rosennabakari.com
                    Book: https://transformation.sevenexits.com


                    📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                    – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork

                    – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                    – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                    – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat

                    Mental health support

                    UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org

                    UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
                    US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
                    Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
                    Global helplines
                    https://findahelpline.com

                    Truth, Lies & Work is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals.


                    47 min
                  4. 300. JP Morgan's sex scandal, A.I. fears and the executive presence problem. PLUS! Are diverse teams better? With Dr Jake Tuber

                    Episode 300 is here! 🥂 To celebrate this massive milestone, Al and Leanne are joined by a very special guest, Dr. Jake Tuber. In this jam-packed anniversary edition, we’re tackling the "FOBO" phenomenon, the radical 10% pay rise experiment, and the truth behind high-performing diverse teams.


                    🔥 Stories Covered

                    1. The Rise of "FOBO": Why Gen Z is Resisting AI

                    Move over FOMO—there’s a new acronym in town. FOBO (Fear of Becoming Obsolete) is driving a quiet backlash against AI among Gen Z workers. Leanne breaks down why younger employees are slowing down adoption as a form of self-protection against automation that threatens their long-term value.

                    • Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/24/fobo-fear-of-becoming-obsolete-ai-gen-z-workplace

                      2. The 10% Automatic Pay Rise: A Cure for Toxic Culture?

                      Stockholm startup Lovable has ditched traditional performance reviews and negotiations. Instead, every employee gets an automatic 10% raise on their anniversary. We debate: Does guaranteed security make people work harder, or does a little "insecurity" keep you sharp?

                      • Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/stockholm-startup-lovable-automatic-10-percent-pay-rise-anniversary-2024-3

                        3. Workplace Scandals & Economic Indicators

                        Jake brings two contrasting stories: a massive $1M settlement offer in a high-profile JP Morgan lawsuit and the curious case of US job cuts—which are down everywhere except in the Tech sector. Is AI really the culprit, or is it just a convenient excuse for layoffs?


                        🧠 Truth or Lie: Do Diverse Teams Perform Better?

                        It’s the claim that has dominated business strategy since the 90s, but what does the research actually say? Dr. Jake reveals that while cognitive diversity (varied skills and perspectives) consistently boosts innovation, demographic diversity alone can sometimes increase conflict and slow down coordination if not managed correctly.


                        💬 Workplace Surgery: The Management Edition

                        In honor of Jake’s upcoming book, The Deliberate Manager, we tackle three burning questions:

                        • The Drained Team Lead: Is the first year of management always this exhausting?

                        • The Group Chat Trap: What do you do when you accidentally see what your team really thinks of you?

                        • Executive Presence: How do you bridge the gap between being a "great executor" and looking like a VP?


                          🤝 Connect with Dr. Jake Tuber

                          • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaketuber/

                          • Website: http://www.ticonadvisory.com

                          • Podcast (Forces at Work): https://www.ticonadvisory.com/podcast

                          • Special Offer: Dr. Jake is offering our listeners six months of free access to his Substack, Workwise. Use this link to claim: https://workwise.substack.com/subscribe?coupon=1e481d0b


                            📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                            • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork

                            • Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott

                            • Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne

                            • Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                              Mental health support

                              • UK & ROI — Samaritans: Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org

                              • UK — Mind: Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk

                              • US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org

                              • Australia — Lifeline: Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au

                              • Global helplines: https://findahelpline.com


                                1 hr 15 min
                              • 299. “There are 200 people on a waiting list to work here”, with Rachel Harris, StriveX Accountants

                                Welcome to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture, brought to you by the HubSpot Podcast Network.

                                Most businesses struggle with recruiting. They post jobs on Indeed, sponsor LinkedIn ads, and cross their fingers. Rachel Harris, co-founder of StriveX Accountants, does the exact opposite. She has built a multimillion-pound firm from her dining room table with a waiting list of over 200 people eager to join her team.

                                In this episode, Rachel reveals how she treats recruitment like a 24/7 marketing function and why her employees are her most powerful recruitment tool—even when they’re calling her a "micromanager" on social media.


                                🔥 What we cover in this episode:

                                • The "Always-On" Strategy: Why Rachel never posts "we're hiring" ads and why waiting until you have a vacancy means you're already too late.

                                • Franchising the Inside: How Rachel systemized recruitment and onboarding so the process runs itself, allowing her to focus on the human connection.

                                • Employee Generated Content (EGC): The "no-rules" scheme where Rachel’s team earns bonuses for sharing raw, unscripted stories about their work life.

                                • The "Micromanager" Post: How a post highlighting Rachel’s intense systems became one of their best-performing pieces of recruitment content.

                                • Culture as Credibility: Why a lack of employee advocacy isn't a social media problem—it's a culture problem.


                                  💡 3 Key Lessons for Leaders

                                  1. Recruit Like a Marketer: Stop selling the job; start showing the life. Use day-in-the-life stories and team moments to sell the culture before a candidate ever applies.

                                  2. Turn Your Team into Trusted Voices: Authenticity beats polish. Giving your team the freedom to share their real experiences without an approval process builds massive credibility with future hires.

                                  3. Fix the Culture First: Rachel’s EGC scheme only works because the workplace actually delivers on its promises. If your employees won't vouch for you publicly, focus on the culture before the content.


                                    🔗 Connect with Rachel Harris

                                    • LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rachel-harris-a3192372

                                    • StriveX Accountants: https://strivex.co.uk

                                    • Instagram/TikTok: @accountant_she

                                      📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                                      – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork

                                      – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                                      – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                                      – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                                      Mental health support

                                      UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org

                                      UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
                                      US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
                                      Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
                                      Global helplines: https://findahelpline.com


                                      51 min
                                    • 298. Dry chatting, Gen-Z CEOs and toxic bosses. PLUS! The science behind 'bring your dog to work day'

                                      Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture. This week, we explore the shifting vocabulary of the modern office, the rise of "Gen Z entrepreneurs," and a sobering look at the prevalence of toxic leadership.

                                      Plus, for Mental Health Awareness Month, we dig into the research behind "Bring Your Dog to Work Day" and answer three tough listener questions in a bumper Workplace Surgery.


                                      🔥 Stories Covered

                                      1. Six Words Defining the New World of Work

                                      Leanne introduces "dry chatting"—the practice of rehearsing emotionally charged conversations with AI before having them in real life. We also explore:

                                      • Meaning-maxxing: Optimising life around purpose rather than status.

                                      • Rage applying: Rapidly submitting job applications as a cathartic response to frustration.

                                      • False retention: When staff stay for security but aren't actually engaged.

                                      • Vibe working and the Anti-office: How AI and office design are prioritising "progress over productivity."

                                        Source: https://www.thetimes.com/business/companies-markets/article/how-world-of-work-changed-times-enterprise-network-t0zvf96wv

                                        2. The Gen Z Career Ladder is Being Rebuilt

                                        With entry-level hiring at its lowest rate since 2020 and AI automating "learn-the-ropes" tasks, Gen Z is pivoting to ownership. We discuss why "the new promise is ownership" and look at young founders who are turning down traditional internships to build their own empires.
                                        Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ng-interactive/2026/apr/25/gen-z-entrepreneurs-business-ai

                                        3. Is Toxic Leadership the New Norm?

                                        A new study reveals that 6 in 10 workers currently have a toxic boss. We discuss the impact on mental health and why many employees feel companies are investing more in AI than in developing their people managers.
                                        Source: https://www.fastcompany.com/91534390/6-in-10-workers-say-they-have-a-toxic-boss-study-finds


                                        🧠 Truth or Lie: Bring Your Dog to Work Day

                                        Does having a "fluffy colleague" actually support mental health?

                                        • The Truth: Some studies suggest dogs act as a stress buffer and increase workplace engagement.

                                        • The Lie: The evidence is surprisingly weak. Most studies rely on self-reporting, and for the 15-30% of people with allergies or phobias, a dog-friendly office can be a major source of stress.


                                          💬 Workplace Surgery

                                          Question 1: Are we doing more harm by asking and not acting?

                                          We regularly survey our people and ask for feedback, but if I’m honest, we don’t always act on what comes back. Are we building trust by listening, or damaging it by not following through?

                                          Question 2: Why isn’t anyone using our wellbeing benefits?

                                          We offer a range of wellbeing benefits — things like support resources, initiatives, and time off — but hardly anyone actually uses them. What are we missing?

                                          Question 3: If people keep leaving, is it really a hiring problem?

                                          We bring in good people, but a pattern’s emerging where they leave within the first 12 months. Is this a recruitment issue, or something happening once they’re inside the business?


                                          📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                                          – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork
                                          – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                                          – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                                          – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                                          Mental health support

                                          UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org
                                          UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
                                          US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
                                          Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
                                          Global helplines
                                          https://findahelpline.com


                                          Truth, Lies & Work is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals.


                                          54 min
                                        • LIVE! Is A.I. changing the way we think? With Charli Nordone, Gabrielle Dolan and Paul Spiers

                                          Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture. We are part of the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals.

                                          In this special LinkedIn Live edition, hosts Al Elliott and Leanne Elliott are joined by three world-class experts to tackle one of the most pressing questions of the modern era: If machines are increasingly doing the thinking for us, what happens to our own ability to think?


                                          🔥 Discussion Highlights

                                          1. The Irony of Automation

                                          We dive into the "irony of automation," a theory from the 1980s stating that as we automate complex tasks, humans shift from "operators" to "supervisors." Over time, the critical skills needed to intervene or judge quality begin to weaken. We explore how this is playing out in today’s knowledge work.

                                          2. Writing as a Thinking Tool

                                          Charli Nordone explains why writing isn’t just communication—it’s how we process and structure our thoughts. When we outsource the first draft to AI, are we accidentally outsourcing the very thinking that makes our work valuable?

                                          3. The Case for Human Authenticity

                                          Gabrielle Dolan highlights the "AI vs. AI" loop, where machines write resumes and machines screen them. She argues that in a world of machine-generated content, authentic, personal storytelling is the only way to build genuine trust and connection.

                                          4. Leadership & Curiosity

                                          Paul Spiers discusses why leaders must move beyond seeing AI as a "productivity plug-in" and instead treat it as a foundational change. He shares how to foster "curiosity with context" to ensure employees feel empowered rather than replaced.


                                          📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                                          – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork

                                          – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                                          – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                                          – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                                          🎙️ Connect with our Guests

                                          Charli Nordone

                                          • Website: www.thebetterwritingstore.com

                                          • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlinordone/

                                          • Instagram: www.instagram.com/betterwritingstore

                                            Gabrielle Dolan

                                            • Website: gabrielledolan.com

                                            • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/

                                            • Instagram: @gabrielledolan.1

                                              Paul Spiers

                                              • Website: paulspiers.com | principlesandleadership.com

                                              • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulspiers/


                                                🆘 Mental Health Support

                                                UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit samaritans.org

                                                UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit mind.org.uk

                                                US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit 988lifeline.org

                                                Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit lifeline.org.au

                                                Global helplines: findahelpline.com


                                                1 hr 19 min
                                              • 297. Why Everything You Know About Sales Is Wrong, with Thomas Waites

                                                Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning workplace podcast where behavioral science meets workplace culture. Part of the HubSpot Podcast Network, the audio destination for business professionals.

                                                If you’re a founder who has built something brilliant but finds the idea of 'selling' it a little bit icky, this episode is for you. Today, we’re joined by Thomas Waites, a fractional Chief Revenue Officer and startup advisor who has scaled multiple companies from seed stage to successful acquisition.

                                                Thomas takes a refreshingly contrarian view of sales. He argues that the very traits many founders think disqualify them from sales—honesty, empathy, and a hatred for pushiness—are actually their greatest competitive advantages.


                                                🔥 What we cover in this episode:

                                                • The "Rainmaker" Reimagined: Why a Chief Revenue Officer (CRO) is about more than just closing deals—it’s about owning the entire customer revenue journey.

                                                • The Tattoo Bet: The incredible story of how a team culture of "tattoo bets" led Thomas to ink a bull on his shoulder after closing a massive deal with 40,000 Warner Brothers employees.

                                                • Sales for STEM Founders: How highly analytical, introverted founders can become world-class at sales by treating it like an engineering problem.

                                                • The 75/25 Rule: Why the best salespeople speak only 25% of the time and how "negative reverse selling" can turn a 'no' into a 'yes' by simply respecting the prospect's boundaries.

                                                • Building Your Sales Team: Why your first hire should NOT be a VP of Sales or a CRO, and the specific progression founders should follow to scale their revenue.

                                                  🧠 Key Takeaways

                                                  1. Honesty is a Competitive Advantage: Most prospects expect to be lied to. When you are transparent about what your product can’t do, you build instant, unshakeable trust.

                                                  2. Sell to Emotions, Not Just Logic: While logic supports a purchase, emotions drive it. Avoid "information overload" and focus on the pain you are solving.

                                                  3. Hire Junior First: Start with a Business Development Representative (BDR) to fill the pipeline while you, the founder, continue to close. Only bring in a senior sales leader once the process is proven.

                                                    🔗 Connect with Thomas Waites

                                                    – Website: https://twsales.com
                                                    – Live Call-In Show: https://twsales.com/live-call-in-show/
                                                    – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaswaites/


                                                    📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                                                    – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork
                                                    – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                                                    – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                                                    – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                                                    Mental health support

                                                    UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org
                                                    UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
                                                    US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
                                                    Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
                                                    Global helplines
                                                    https://findahelpline.com

                                                    53 min
                                                  4. 296. Why has $5 Trillion NVIDIA scrapped performance reviews? PLUS! Microsoft’s voluntary retirement, well-being hacks and the truth about the change curve, with Matt Furness

                                                    Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioral science meets workplace culture. Part of the HubSpot Podcast Network.

                                                    This week, we explore Microsoft’s new retirement strategy, NVIDIA’s radical management secrets, and the one wellbeing investment most businesses are overlooking. Plus, we debunk a legendary psychological model and answer your burning questions about toxic top performers and small business culture.


                                                    🔥 Stories Covered

                                                    1. Is Microsoft Quietly

                                                    Microsoft has launched a first-of-its-kind voluntary retirement program for U.S. employees whose age plus years of service equals 70 or more.

                                                    • The Targeted Group: Open to staff at senior director level and below.

                                                    • The Strategic Shift: While framed as giving employees choice, it comes as Microsoft pivots heavily toward AI infrastructure, potentially reshaping its traditional software workforce.

                                                    • Reward Changes: The company is also decoupling stock awards from cash bonuses to give managers more flexibility in rewarding high performers.

                                                      Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/23/microsoft-plans-first-voluntary-retirement-program-for-us-employees.html

                                                      2. The $5 Trillion CEO: Jensen Huang’s Radical Rules

                                                      NVIDIA recently crossed the $5 trillion mark, and CEO Jensen Huang did it by breaking every rule in the management handbook.

                                                      • Flat Structure: Huang has 55 direct reports—nearly 10x the corporate average.

                                                      • Equal Pay: He pays all 55 top executives the exact same cash bonus, removing internal "status games."

                                                      • No 1:1s: Information is shared with everyone at once to eliminate power asymmetry and speed up decision-making.

                                                        Source: https://x.com/i/web/status/2048559374499778778

                                                        3. The Wellbeing Investment You’re Overlooking

                                                        While most companies spend on gym memberships and apps, the data suggests that employee development is the real driver of wellbeing.

                                                        • The Progress Problem: Research suggests low engagement is often a "progress problem," not a "perks problem."

                                                        • Retention Secret: 73% of employees would stay longer if their company invested more in learning and development.

                                                        • Science-Backed: Competence is a core human need in Self-Determination Theory, directly linked to lower burnout.

                                                          Source: https://wellbeingmagazine.com/why-employee-development-is-the-wellbeing-investment-most-businesses-overlook/

                                                          🧠 Truth or Lie: The Kübler-Ross Change Curve

                                                          We’ve all seen the "Stages of Grief" applied to corporate change. Business Psychologist Matt Furness joins us to reveal whether research actually supports using a model designed for terminally ill patients as a roadmap for office restructuring.

                                                          Connect with Matt:

                                                          LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewfurness/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_profile_view_base%3BpQVxZf%2FySxyM5bnSu94bNQ%3D%3D
                                                          Click Culture: https://www.clickculture.co.uk/


                                                          💬 Workplace Surgery

                                                          This week, we tackle three tough listener dilemmas:

                                                          • The "Checked Out" Employee: Is "quiet quitting" the inevitable result of mandated return-to-office policies?

                                                          • The Toxic High Performer: Can you ever justify keeping a salesperson who hits their targets but destroys your culture?

                                                          • Culture vs. Cash: At what point does a "small business family" culture lose out to a £15k pay rise elsewhere?

                                                            📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

                                                            – LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork
                                                            – Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
                                                            – Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
                                                            – Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat


                                                            Mental health support

                                                            UK & ROI — Samaritans Call 116 123 or visit https://www.samaritans.org
                                                            UK — Mind Call 0300 123 3393 or visit https://www.mind.org.uk
                                                            US — Suicide & Crisis Lifeline Call or text 988 or visit https://988lifeline.org
                                                            Australia — Lifeline Call 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au
                                                            Global helplines
                                                            https://findahelpline.com


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