Joey is wrestling with the concept of safetyism and its influence on early childhood practices, including her own. What's on the other end of the continuum? To place it at the opposite end from risky play doesn't feel right because much of what gets shut down in the name of safetyism is just play. Tom notes that safetyism can erode trust and lead to a culture that uses surveillance to monitor caregiving. Mike suggests that the antidote is to let children play and adults talk among themselves about their worries. Ross wonders if the antidote is based in realism and the understanding that children's play is normal and necessary.