Ukraine's spring offensive has begun. But what can it realistically achieve? What can be done to prevent this becoming a 'forever war'? And in the meantime, how has this regional conflict impacted on global politics. Are we seeing a changed international order, with the rise of China and a new role for Africa and the Global South? David Aaronovitch and guests discuss the long game for Ukraine and its western allies.

Guests:

Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence studies and Specialist Advisor to the Joint Committee on the National Security Strategy

Produced by: Bethan Ashmead, Claire Bowes and Kirsteen Knight

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