When you peel back the layers of most “successful” agencies, you find mediocrity hiding behind luck and inertia. Not here. In this episode, Michael Jans sits down with longtime Mastermind member Frank Karkowsky to reveal the real drivers of a Rule of 50 agency—where growth, margins, and valuation stack up in the top tier of the industry.

Here’s what you’ll discover:

Whether you're chasing growth, improving EBITDA, or engineering a higher valuation, this episode is packed with strategies you can apply today.

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