Delving into the impact of celebrity culture on the church, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford engage with author and journalist Katelyn Beaty to discuss her book "Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits are Hurting the Church." They explore how the pursuit of platform and influence can undermine authentic Christian community, lead to scandals, and distort the gospel message.

Key Takeaways:

• Understanding the Dark Side of Celebrity Culture in the Church – How celebrity dynamics contribute to scandals and a lack of accountability among church leaders.

• Distinguishing Between Fame and Celebrity – Exploring how notoriety for virtue differs from the pursuit of platform and personal branding.

• The Role of Technology and Media – Discussing how mass media and social platforms facilitate celebrity culture within evangelicalism.

• Reimagining Leadership and Community – How returning to local, embodied church practices can counteract the harms of celebrity dynamics.

Guest Highlights:

Katelyn Beaty – Author, journalist, and former editor at Christianity Today. Caitlin shares profound insights from her book, offering perspectives on building a healthier church that resists the pitfalls of celebrity and focuses on authentic discipleship.

Resources Mentioned:

• "Celebrities for Jesus" by Caitlin Beatty – Order here

• Caitlin Beatty's Website – caitlinbeatty.com

• Christianity Today Magazine – Read more

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Explore how facing church scandals through genuine repentance and embracing healthy transitions can lead to a revitalized and authentic faith community. Join hosts Mike Erre and Tim Stafford, along with guest Susie Lind, as they delve into the challenges of event-driven church models, the complexities of leaving a church gracefully, and a critical analysis of Christianity Today's Top 20 Stories of 2022 to uncover what it means for the future of the church.

Key Takeaways:

• The Need for Genuine Repentance – Understanding how confronting scandals transparently can lead to true renewal within the church.

• Leaving a Church Well – Practical guidance on navigating the difficult process of leaving a church community while maintaining relationships and integrity.

• Reimagining Church Models – Discussing the shift from event-driven ministries to a centered-set approach focused on authentic relationships and spiritual formation.

• Analyzing Modern Church Culture – Reflecting on themes of abuse and scandal in church narratives and the implications for believers today.

Guest Highlights:

Susie Lind – Shares insightful perspectives on church culture, the process of repentance, and fostering healthy community transitions.

Resources Mentioned:

• Christianity Today's Top 20 Stories of 2022

• The Gospel of Mark – Insights into reimagining church models beyond event-driven approaches.

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A raw, provocative, and delightfully messy Christmas episode with Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, and special guest Pastor Bethany Nass Cseh explores how the Christmas story has been softened, sanitized, and even hijacked by nostalgia, cultural expectations, and spectacle. What emerges instead is a deeply human tale of presence, prophecy, and disruption—one worthy of contemplation beyond a single holiday.

The episode spans humorous holiday banter, chaotic family vibes featuring Seth Erre and Big Nate, and a deep theological roundtable about “beefs” with the way Christianity has portrayed Christmas. The team critically unpacks the warping of Christ’s birth into a feel-good, curated experience—and boldly suggests we might need to separate “Advent” from Christmas entirely to re-encounter its radical core. Get ready for a different kind of Christmas conversation.

Key Takeaways: • The Problem with Curated Christmas – Bethany Shea reflects on the pressure to create an Instagram-perfect holiday and how this contradicts the raw, unglamorous birth of Jesus. • Jesus Was Born Into Disappointment, Not a Hallmark Movie – The nativity was messy, risky, and fearful—a far cry from tidy manger scenes. • Time to Separate Christ and Christmas? – Tim Stafford challenges the idea of merging commercial, cultural Christmas with the spiritual season of Advent, advocating for reclaiming the radical truth of the incarnation. • Mary’s Magnificat as Revolutionary Protest – Mike dives into Mary’s song from Luke 1 as a political and spiritual act of resistance, confronting power and promising divine reversal. • God With Us—Now, Not Just Then or Someday – The group critiques our tendency to project Advent hope exclusively into the past or future, rather than embracing Emmanuel in the present moment. • The Real Saint Nick Was a Justice Warrior – Tim spotlights the historical St. Nicholas as a man of charity and liberation, subverting modern Santa Claus myths. • The Church Has Replaced Flesh-and-Blood Presence with Spectacle – Why high-production Christmas events often obscure the vulnerable origins of the gospel.

Guest Highlights: • Pastor Bethany Shea – Co-pastors a UMC and church plant (Catalyst Church in Humboldt County, CA) with her husband and is the author of two spiritual formation devotional guides, Stepping Into Advent and Stepping Into Lent. Bethany offers profound insight into how Advent offers a prophetic vision grounded in present hope, not polished perfection. • Seth Erie and Big Nate – Make cameo appearances full of laughs and holiday spirit.

Resources Mentioned: • Bethany Shea’s Books – • Stepping Into Advent – Amazon • Stepping Into Lent – Amazon • Catalyst Church Humboldt YouTube – Catalyst Services • Rachel Held Evans – Reflection on Mary and pregnancy from “Wholehearted Faith” • Pete Enns – Biblical re-evaluations of the nativity story • “God With Us” themes from Isaiah, Luke 1–2, and elsewhere • History of Saint Nicholas – Liberation of women and how stockings became a symbol of justice

Join us in confronting the comfort and reclaiming the revolution at the heart of Christmas. Rediscover Advent, reimagine church, and celebrate the beauty of the incarnation with honesty, humility, and a bit of humor.

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Dive into an engaging exploration of women's roles in church leadership as Mike Erre and Tim Stafford dissect biblical texts and historical contexts to address the question: Can women be elders? Unpacking examples of female leaders in early Christianity, they challenge traditional interpretations and discuss the implications for modern church practices and gender equality.

Key Takeaways:

• Biblical Evidence of Female Leadership – Analyzing scriptural accounts of women like Phoebe, Priscilla, and the "chosen lady" who served in leadership roles in the early church.

• Reframing the Term 'Elder' – Exploring how the meaning of 'elder' in the biblical context differs from modern hierarchical structures and what it signifies for gender roles.

• Addressing Counterarguments – Examining common objections to women serving as elders and providing insights from biblical scholarship to counter these views.

• Impact on Modern Church Practices – Discussing how embracing women in leadership roles can influence the church's mission and promote gender equality within the faith community.

Guest Highlights:

Nate and Seth Erie – Mike's sons join the episode with humorous and heartfelt reflections on college life, personal growth, and the importance of self-support, adding a personal touch to the conversation.

Resources Mentioned:

• Marg Mowczko's Research on Women Elders – margmowczko.com

• Philip Payne's Book Man and Woman, One in Christ

• 1 Timothy 3 – Qualifications for Overseers (Bible Gateway)

• 2 John – The "Chosen Lady" (Bible Gateway)

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Launching a new mini-series under The Wanderer banner, Tim Stafford embarks on an exploration of worship—not as performance or emotional manipulation, but as resistance, reorientation, and the embodiment of justice. This reflective episode traces Tim’s journey from burnout with worship-leading to rediscovering the true heart of worship through scripture, history, and music. In this premiere installment, Tim unpacks the history and radical impact of the Christmas anthem “O Holy Night,” connecting its forgotten abolitionist roots to the deeper calling of worship as cultural and spiritual counter-programming.

Key Takeaways: • Worship is a deeply human and formative act—constantly shaping us, whether we recognize it or not. • True Christ-centered worship should serve as resistance to societal idols like nationalism, consumerism, and individualism. • The purpose of worship is not to boost God's ego, but to reorient ourselves toward justice, community, and God's kingdom. • “O Holy Night” is more than a Christmas classic—it became a powerful abolitionist anthem in 19th century America. • Counter-programming through liturgy, music, communion, and teaching acts as liberation for communities seeking shalom.

Reflections from the Episode: “Worship isn’t for God because He needs it—it’s for us, because we do.” “We’re always worshiping something—songs, symbols, brands. The question is: what are we ascribing worth to?” “When worship becomes truly communal, it dismantles hierarchy, promotes unity, and invites liberation.”

Resources Mentioned: • “O Holy Night” – Historical analysis and modern re-recording coming soon in this series. • Placide Cappeau – Author of original French poem “Minuit, Chrétiens” • John Sullivan Dwight – Translator and abolitionist who popularized the hymn in the U.S. • The Wanderer Series Archive – Watch on VOXOLOGY TV

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Explore how Dr. Lynn Cohick, a distinguished Pauline scholar, reinterprets the roles of women in the early church and challenges traditional readings of key biblical texts. Mike and Tim engage in a deep discussion on passages like 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14, uncovering how cultural context and historical insights can reshape our understanding of women's participation in ministry and leadership within the church.

Key Takeaways:

• Women in the Early Church – Discover the significant contributions of women in early Christian communities and how they actively partnered with men in ministry.
• Re-examining 1 Timothy 2 – Learn how understanding the cultural and historical background of Ephesus reveals new perspectives on this often-debated passage.
• Cultural Context and Biblical Interpretation – Understand the importance of considering ancient cultural norms and practices when interpreting scriptures about gender roles.
• Overcoming Educational Barriers – Hear Dr. Cohick's personal journey navigating challenges in theological academia and advocating for women's education in the church.
• Addressing Gender Hierarchies Today – Discuss how to move beyond hierarchical structures and embrace a more collaborative, inclusive approach within the modern church.

Guest Highlights: Dr. Lynn Cohick – Provost of Northern Seminary and renowned New Testament scholar specializing in Pauline studies. Dr. Cohick shares her expertise on women's roles in the early church, offers fresh interpretations of critical New Testament passages, and reflects on her experiences overcoming obstacles in a male-dominated field.

Resources Mentioned:

• Women in the World of the Earliest Christians by Dr. Lynn Cohick
• The Alabaster Jar Podcast – Listen here
• 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 – Biblical passages explored in depth
• Dorothy Sayers' Essay – Are Women Human?

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Uncover how fear and collective narcissism shape the worldview of white evangelicals and what this means for the future of the church. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford engage in a thought-provoking conversation with psychologist Dr. Dave Verhaagen about his book "How White Evangelicals Think," exploring the psychological factors influencing evangelical culture, politics, and identity.

Key Takeaways:

• Fear's Influence on Evangelicalism – Understanding how fear drives self-interest and the desire for power within white evangelical communities.

• The Concept of Collective Narcissism – Exploring how collective narcissism manifests in the church and impacts interactions with those outside the group.

• Psychology Vs. Theology – Discussing the idea that the evangelical worldview is more influenced by psychological factors than theological beliefs.

• Power Dynamics and Cultural Shifts – Analyzing how changing demographics and loss of cultural dominance affect evangelical responses to social issues.

• Path Forward for the Church – Considering steps the church can take to address these psychological dynamics and better reflect the mission of Jesus.

Guest Highlights:

Dr. Dave Verhaagen – A seasoned psychologist and author of "How White Evangelicals Think." Dave shares deep insights into the psychological underpinnings of evangelical culture, offering a unique perspective on fear, power, and identity within the church.

Resources Mentioned:

• "How White Evangelicals Think" by Dr. Dave Verhaagen – [Link to the book]

• Voxology Podcast – voxologypodcast.com

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Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the controversial passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-15, challenging traditional interpretations that have restricted women's roles in the church. By unpacking the historical and cultural context of Paul's letters, they shed light on how misreadings have led to harmful theology and discuss actionable steps to embrace women's leadership as a biblical mandate.

Key Takeaways:

• Understanding the Cultural Context – How the early church’s battle against false teachings, like Gnosticism, influenced Paul's instructions and how this impacts our interpretation today.
• Clarifying Misinterpretations – Examining the original Greek language to reveal that Paul's restrictions were specific, temporary measures rather than universal commands.
• The Importance of Women in Ministry – Highlighting biblical examples of women leaders and the necessity of their gifts for a healthy, effective church.
• Missionary Motives of Paul – Understanding Paul's intent to present the gospel attractively in different cultures without unnecessary offense.
• Addressing Harmful Theologies – Discussing the real-world consequences of misapplied scriptures on women's roles and how to move towards a more inclusive church community.

Join Mike and Tim as they advocate for a more faithful reading of scripture that honors and empowers women in all areas of church leadership. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay engaged with the conversation.

Resources Mentioned:

• Philip Payne – Man and Woman, One in Christ
• 1 Timothy 2:11-15 – Read the Passage
• Previous Episodes on Ephesians and Gender Roles – Voxology Podcast Episodes



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Discover how embracing mystery and asking better questions of the Bible can deepen your faith and transform your understanding of God. Marty Solomon, host of the BEMA Podcast and author of the upcoming book Asking Better Questions of the Bible, shares his journey from fundamentalist evangelicalism to a faith rooted in curiosity and openness. Together with co-hosts Mike Erre and Tim Stafford, and joined by returning guest Tyler Chernesky, they explore how reframing our approach to Scripture can lead to a more authentic and vibrant spiritual life.

Key Takeaways: • Embracing Mystery and Curiosity – Learn how adopting a posture of curiosity toward Scripture fosters a deeper, more authentic faith. • Asking Better Questions of the Bible – Marty discusses the importance of reframing the questions we bring to the Bible, moving beyond seeking certainty to exploring wonder and awe. • Deconstruction as a Natural Part of Faith – Understanding deconstruction not as something to fear but as a necessary process in spiritual growth and maturity. • Reframing Genesis and Human Identity – Discover a new perspective on Genesis 1–3, seeing our fundamental identity rooted in goodness and creation's inherent value. • Navigating Uncertainty – Embracing the discomfort of not knowing as an essential part of faith, leading to greater empathy and less judgment.

Guest Highlights: Marty Solomon – Host of the BEMA Podcast and author of the upcoming book Asking Better Questions of the Bible. Marty shares his personal journey from fundamentalist evangelical roots to embracing his Jewish heritage and a more inquisitive approach to Scripture.

Tyler Chernesky – A pastor and collage artist, Tyler discusses how Marty's teachings have profoundly impacted his faith journey, helping him find rest, renewal, and a deeper love for Jesus and people.

Resources Mentioned: • Marty Solomon's Website – martysolomon.com • BEMA Podcast – bemadiscipleship.com • Pre-order Asking Better Questions of the Bible by Marty Solomon – [Link] • Rob Bell's Teachings • Ray Vander Laan's Teachings • Frederick Buechner's Writings

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Unpacking how traditional views on biblical masculinity may limit our understanding of true humanity, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the complexities of gender roles, anger, and equality within Christianity. They explore how striving for predefined standards can hinder new creation dynamics, and advocate for embracing a fuller, more holistic view of humanity as modeled by Jesus.

Key Takeaways:

• Moving Beyond Fixed Standards – Why seeking a clear-cut standard for masculinity or femininity can lead to a watered-down version of following Jesus.
• Healthy Expression of Anger – Discussing how acknowledging and expressing anger is part of being fully human, and how Jesus exemplified this in his life.
• Interpreting Gender Roles in Scripture – Analyzing the Bible's accommodation to patriarchy versus its affirmation of equality, and how to navigate this complexity.
• Role of Women in the Church – Highlighting the significant contributions of women in early Christianity and questioning traditional interpretations that limit their roles.
• Joyful Noncompliance – Embracing Dallas Willard's concept as a way to resist harmful stereotypes and pursue true humanity in Christ.

Resources Mentioned:

• "Finally Feminist" by John Stackhouse – [Link]
• Beth Allison Barr's Writings – [Link]
• Scott McKnight's Teachings – [Link]
• Dallas Willard's Concept of Joyful Noncompliance – [Link]

Join the conversation as Mike and Tim challenge long-held beliefs, share personal experiences, and encourage listeners to rethink traditional gender norms in light of Jesus' teachings.

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