Kiersten and Julien Saunders of Rich and Regular are on a mission to inspire better conversations about money. Kiersten describes herself as a recovering perfectionist who spent her 20s climbing the Corporate Ladder. Although she was outwardly successful, she was in debt with no financial plans for retirement. When her husband Julien told her about the financial independence movement, she was initially skeptical but came around and, a  few years later, was able to quit her full-time job at 35. Julien Saunders has a degree in Culinary Arts, a BBA in business/Hospitality Administration, and an MBA in Marketing. His career has ranged from preparing fine dining meals, project management, distribution, and brand marketing, white he built a real estate portfolio on the side. Julien spends his time growing the couple’s online business, exploring other entrepreneurial ventures in emerging industries, and inspiring the Black community to build generational wealth. Want to work with me? Visit tmws.co/coaching to learn more.