Welcome to Cloudlandia

Welcome to Cloudlandia

By Dean Jackson and Dan SullivanBusinessMarketing
Download on the App Store

Welcome to Cloudlandia episodes

  • The Outsiders Who Built Toronto

    Dan landed in Toronto in 1963.

    It was a dry city then. Run by the Methodists. Nothing open on a Sunday except a restaurant inside a hotel.

    Then it got built.

    Over the '60s, '70s and '80s a handful of entrepreneurs made the modern city. Ed Mirvish and Honest Ed's. Garth Drabinsky and the theaters. Moses Znaimer and Citytv. Izzy Sharp and the Four Seasons. Dave Nichol and President's Choice.

    Dan noticed what they had in common. Most of them were Jewish. Shut out of the establishment law firms and accounting firms and hospitals, so they started their own. And they became the real players.

    That's the thread this week. How a place gets built by the people it first tried to keep out.

    We wander to get there. Cottage country, the closest thing Canadians have to religion. The little media bubbles we all grew up inside, back when your whole picture of the world came through one local lens. Dan's read on why Canada mattered to America for exactly 46 years, and what changed in 1991.

    And an update on Yesterday Creates Tomorrow. Dan's on day 215 now. The whole system fits in one line. Use today to make tomorrow a great yesterday. Then give the day a score.

    Listen for the moment Dan explains why every name we'd been dropping for fifteen minutes turned out to have the same thing in common.

    Show highlights

    • Dan's thesis: modern Toronto was built largely by Jewish entrepreneurs who, shut out of the establishment firms, started their own and became the city's real players.
    • A tour of Toronto originals: Ed Mirvish and Honest Ed's, Garth Drabinsky rediscovering the sealed-up Winter Garden Theatre behind a wall, Moses Znaimer's Citytv and MuchMusic, Izzy Sharp's Four Seasons, Russell Oliver the "I buy your gold" Cashman.
    • Dave Nichol's playbook at Loblaws: bookend the market with No Name at the bottom and President's Choice at the top, then position yourself as the customer's advocate. The decadent chocolate chip cookie that started it.
    • Why Montreal was Canada's golden city until the 1976 language laws sent nearly every headquarters west to Toronto.
    • Dan's geopolitical read: Canada mattered to the US mostly as the geography between it and the Soviet Union, from 1945 to 1991. When the USSR fell, that importance went with it.
    • The "little bubbles" era, before the internet flattened them: news filtered through one local lens, Toronto and Buffalo for Dean, Lake Erie and the CBC for Dan.
    • Yesterday Creates Tomorrow in one line: use today to make tomorrow a great yesterday, then score the day. Habits count for one, the unusual for five, a real move for ten to twenty-five.
    • Links

      • StrategicCoach.com
      • DeanJackson.com
      • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/178-the-outsiders-who-built-toronto/

        1 hr 1 min
      • Discovering Zero

        Dan's been hunting for a historical parallel to AI for a while.

        He found it in the number zero.

        Not the technology of zero. The idea of it.

        Reading a book on the history of money, he landed on how zero spread through Europe around 1300. It jumped from Sicily's trading centers across the continent in about a decade. Traders could suddenly do in seconds what used to take all afternoon.

        That's his read on AI. It didn't arrive as a new machine. It arrived as a new way to think.

        He's been writing his next quarterly book with Claude. It offered to build him a tool that formats every paragraph as an axiom plus a sales hook. Then it spun up a one-year app to track his Vasper and Power Plate sessions, projected gains and all.

        "This is like discovering zero."

        What you're reaching for isn't artificial intelligence, he says. It's total intelligence. The best human thinking, on tap.

        The catch is you still have to know what you want. And wanting is a real skill.

        We opened on CoachCon in Orlando, where Strategic Coach had turned 30 years of old tools into a hall of history. That one landed for me. I've been journaling since April 1996, and there was my own trail of decisions, lined up in one place.

        From there we wandered. The fall of the Roman numeral system. Guessing versus betting. The news that we'd lost a good friend that week.

        That's the show.

        Listen for the moment Dan turns AI into the return of zero... and why he thinks knowing what to want is the one thing no machine can hand you.

        Show highlights

        • Dan's historical parallel for AI: the adoption of zero in Europe around 1300, which spread from Sicily's trading centers in about a decade because it was an idea, not a technology.
        • "AI is not a technological revolution, it's a cognitive revolution." Dan on why the shift is in how you think, not which tool you open.
        • Dan had Claude build him a one-year "single protocol" app to track his Vasper and Power Plate sessions, projected muscle and lean-mass gains included.
        • Dan reframes artificial intelligence as "total intelligence": instant access to the best human thinking and research on any question you can pose.
        • "Wanting is a real skill." Dean and Dan on why knowing what to ask for is the part that stays human.
        • Guessing versus betting: bat .500 and you're way beyond Cooperstown. One in ten works in private equity, and about 16 IPOs in 100 pan out as predicted.
        • Dan's new writing method with Claude: open every paragraph with an axiom you can't argue with, close it with a sales hook.
        • Links

          • StrategicCoach.com
          • DeanJackson.com
          • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/177-discovering-zero/

            51 min
          • Thirty Years of Vectors

            In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, these two longtime collaborators trace how small decisions compound over decades to build momentum.

            In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia we open with Dan's annual London trip and a look at how AI is quietly transforming entire industries the way automation once reshaped farming, freeing up labor for higher-value work decade after decade. Dan connects this to his MELT framework, the idea that money, energy, labor, and transportation are where AI's real impact lands rather than entertainment. The conversation moves naturally from continents to careers, showing how economic shifts and personal turning points follow surprisingly similar patterns.

            Dean shares the experience of rereading 30 years of personal journals, starting from entry number one in April 1996, months before he ever met Dan. He describes "vector changes," the moments a single conversation redirected his career path, from tennis to real estate to building a multimillion-dollar coaching business with his mentor Joe Stump. Dan adds his own distinction between guessing and betting, pointing out how rarely people back their predictions with actual stakes, a useful filter for evaluating advice in any business.

            I was struck by how a journal that started with no plan became, thirty years later, documented proof of patterns worth studying. Listen for the moment Dean finally explains what a vector really is.

            Show highlights

            • Dan argues AI's real economic impact isn't entertainment, it's reshaping money, energy, labor, and transportation, his "MELT" framework.
            • Dean started journaling in April 1996, and on page 22 of journal number one, met Dan Sullivan for the first time.
            • Dan's test for any prediction: ask if there's real money on the table. Most people are confident guessers but unwilling bettors.
            • Cyrus McCormick's mechanical reaper let one farmer and a horse do the work of 14 men, a preview of what AI may do today.
            • Dean calls career-changing conversations "vector changes" single moments that redirected him from tennis to real estate to coaching.
            • Dean's partnership with mentor Joe Stumpf took their combined coaching business from a few million dollars a year to many times that.
            • Links

              • StrategicCoach.com
              • DeanJackson.com
              • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/176-thirty-years-of-vectors/

                59 min
              • Money, Scent, and the Art of the Did List

                The most enduring business lessons often come wrapped in the most unexpected stories.

                In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and Dean kick off with a wide-ranging trip through Canyon Ranch recoveries, golf course geometry, and a viral coyote-versus-governor parable that perfectly illustrates why California and Texas have taken such different economic paths. From there, Dean shares how a podcast about restaurant scent marketing turned into a live experiment: within 24 hours he had a book concept, a cover, and leads coming in at a dollar each for a title called Smells That Sell. Dan adds color from his neighbor, a professional perfumer who revealed that Mexico ranks #1 globally for scent responsiveness while Canada sits dead last.

                The conversation deepens as Dan walks through David McWilliams’ book Money, tracing currency from 5,000-year-old Sumerian barley loans to Hamilton’s genius design of the U.S. dollar, and why McWilliams dismisses Bitcoin as a Ponzi scheme that only makes sense when priced in dollars. Both Dan and Dean also reflect on their personal productivity experiments: Dan at week 22 of his “looking back” daily system, and Dean six months into his “What would I like to did today?” morning ritual, with sleep anchors and a captain’s-announcement practice that—as he describes it—puts every cell in his body on alert.

                This one covers a lot of ground, but the thread running through all of it is the same: agency. Whether it’s scent science, ancient money systems, or a daily captain’s briefing to yourself, the practical question is always the same: what can you actually control in the next hundred minutes? Have a listen.

                Show highlights

                • Dean launched a book concept, cover, and lead-generation ad for Smells That Sell within 24 hours of hearing a podcast about restaurant scent marketing.
                • A professional perfumer’s global data reveals Mexico as the world’s most scent-responsive market—and Canada as dead last, partly because noses freeze.
                • Dan’s “look back” daily system at week 22: measuring only the last 24 hours eliminates the gap and gives you real agency over what you actually control.
                • Dean’s “What would I like to did today?” morning ritual, paired with lights-out at 11 PM and phone-in-box until noon, has measurably improved his sleep and readiness scores over six months.
                • David McWilliams argues Bitcoin fails both tests of money: it’s not stable enough to be a currency, and the first-in/last-out structure makes it a Ponzi scheme—and it can only express its value in dollars.
                • The first named individual in recorded history was Kuzim, a Sumerian beer maker operating on a 30-month barley loan at 33% annual interest—proof that entrepreneurial hustle predates civilization as we know it.
                • Links

                  • StrategicCoach.com
                  • DeanJackson.com
                  • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/175-money-scent-and-the-art-of-the-did-list/

                    1 hr 4 min
                  • Guessing, Betting, and the AI Attention Economy

                    The most valuable currency in an AI-saturated world isn't data or content, it's the 1,000 minutes of attention each person has available every single day.

                    In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan shares a new thinking tool he's been developing with entrepreneurs: Intentional Times Accidental, a framework for distinguishing between results you planned for and opportunities you simply recognized and seized. The conversation connects naturally to a powerful quote Dean encountered, "You don't get what you want, you get what you are", and how that idea links to Dan's work on creating a better past. We also hear how Angus Fletcher trains elite special forces operators not by scripting their responses, but by deepening their personal story so they can make sound decisions in chaotic, unpredictable situations.

                    From there, Dan and Dean trace the same pattern into global affairs, examining how recent moves in the Straits of Hormuz reflect high-stakes guessing and betting under pressure. The conversation shifts to AI's financial sustainability problem, the gap between what AI companies are spending on infrastructure and what the market will realistically pay, and why Dean believes AI-generated content faces a fundamental ceiling in a world where human attention is fixed and finite. Dan observes a cultural blowback already forming, with young people pushing back against AI predictions that threaten their futures, and a surprising surge in religious interest as a counter-reaction to tech-driven culture.

                    This episode finds Dan and Dean at their most candid, trading observations about Perplexity's flattery, Dean's 40 Hz brain-stimulating Beacon light, a dog-calming gadget called PetGentle, and a Henry Kissinger story that perfectly captures what's happening on LinkedIn right now. Listen in for a conversation that moves fast, thinks wide, and lands on ideas you'll be turning over for days.

                    Show highlights

                    • The global attention budget is fixed: 8 billion people × 1,000 minutes daily, AI-generated content must compete within that hard ceiling.
                    • Dan's new Intentional Times Accidental tool helps entrepreneurs separate planned breakthroughs from lucky ones they simply recognized and seized.
                    • Elite special forces operators are trained not with scripts but by deepening their personal story so they can decide well in chaotic, unplanned situations.
                    • Dan believes OpenAI cannot legally convert from nonprofit to for-profit mid-streamand predicts the dispute will reach the US Supreme Court.
                    • A fake AI-generated scientist published 13 bestselling books over the past year and doesn't exist, Dan's verdict: only dangerous if you believe it.
                    • Young people are opting out of AI adoption and turning toward religion in growing numbers, a cultural blowback Dan says is entirely predictable and already underway.
                    • Links

                      • StrategicCoach.com
                      • DeanJackson.com
                      • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/174-guessing-betting-and-the-ai-attention-economy/

                        1 hr 6 min
                      • Rules Over Insights: Time Sense and the Decider Role

                        The most powerful systems aren’t built on motivation; they’re built on rules that make the right action the only option.

                        In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we follow Dean’s ongoing experiment with structured daily rhythms, phones locked from 10 PM to noon, meals pre-ordered the night before, and two daily golf sessions anchoring his mornings. He’s framing it not as discipline but as finally becoming a “law-abiding citizen” after 30 years of trying to be a maverick. The bigger discovery: for someone with ADHD, freedom lies within structure, not outside it.

                        Dan shares a quiet but significant shift in his Strategic Coach tools, replacing the prompt “What are your three biggest insights?” with “What are your three biggest rules?” Insights are just thoughts. Rules are decisions with direction. He also returns to a theme from his 130-day “Creating Great Yesterdays” practice: that your past isn’t a fixed record of what happened, it’s your interpretation of it, and that interpretation is entirely yours to change.

                        The episode closes with a wide-ranging discussion on AI, technological revolutions, and who actually profits when the world changes, spoiler: it’s rarely the builders. Dan’s historical read on railroads, radio, and automobiles applies just as cleanly to what’s happening now. This one rewards a second listen, especially the segment on time sense and what it means for how you take action.

                        Show highlights

                        • Dean’s new rule: phone locked from 10 PM to noon daily, not as willpower, but as a structure that makes the right choice the only choice.
                        • Dan replaced “What are your three biggest insights?” with “What are your three biggest rules?” on his thinking tools, and the difference in entrepreneurial traction was immediate.
                        • Your past isn’t a fixed record, it’s your interpretation of what happened, and that interpretation is yours to change at any time.
                        • In every major technological revolution, railroads, radio, automobiles, only about 5% of builders profit. The real winners are the consumers who apply the technology to their most productive opportunities.
                        • ADD and future-thinking may be deeply linked: Dan’s observation that spending today’s attention on things that don’t yet exist is what creates the paralysis most entrepreneurs experience.
                        • Dean’s “Decider” role: the bottleneck in any creative system isn’t ideas or energy, it’s the decision about what actually makes it into the real world.
                        • Links

                          • StrategicCoach.com
                          • DeanJackson.com
                          • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/173-rules-over-insights-time-sense-and-the-decider-role/

                            56 min
                          • Secrets, Surveys, and 30-Year Bets

                            Protecting what you've built, revisiting where you started, and betting on the systems that have never let you down.

                            In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dan and Dean open with a riff on the strange new logic of secrecy in the internet age, where the best way to protect an idea may be to share it widely. Dan's story about a platform speaker who borrowed his Free Days, Focus Days, and Buffer Days framework without credit turns into a sharp point: the internet has made intellectual property both more fragile and more defensible at the same time. Dean connects this to his Nine Word Email and the way naming an idea is often the most durable form of ownership.

                            Dean then pulls out journal number one, dated April 1996, thirty years ago this week, and the conversation becomes a time capsule. He walks through his early real estate licensing business, Toronto and Beyond, and how the same playbook he used then to generate leads in Halton Hills is still running today in Winter Haven, Florida. Dan reflects on his own 25-year journaling project that began after a difficult 1978, and shares that his massage therapist of 34 years recently confirmed his physical condition hasn't changed since they started.

                            The episode closes on a larger canvas: real estate as a measure of civilization, the Louisiana Purchase at 50 cents an acre, Canadian politics, AI-driven job creation, and the quiet argument that the best protection against an uncertain future is a system that has already worked across three decades.

                            Show highlights

                            • Dan Sullivan's Free Days, Focus Days, and Buffer Days framework was stolen by a speaker mid-presentation and the audience corrected him before he finished the sentence.
                            • Seth Godin's counterintuitive take: before the internet, you kept secrets by hiding them; now you protect them by telling everyone first.
                            • Dean Jackson's Nine Word Email became famous globally and naming it was the single act that made it impossible for anyone else to claim it.
                            • The same lead-generation playbook Dean built in 1996 for Halton Hills real estate still works today, running virtually unchanged in Winter Haven, Florida.
                            • Dan's massage therapist of 34 years told him his physical condition is no different now in his 80s than when they first started working together.
                            • For every job eliminated by AI and robotics over the next 15 years, Dan estimates roughly two new jobs will be created,most of them in the legal and regulatory pushback against AI itself.
                            • Links

                              • StrategicCoach.com
                              • DeanJackson.com
                              • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/172-secrets-surveys-and-30-year-bets/

                                1 hr 3 min
                              • The Inevitability System

                                The most productive stretch of your life probably isn’t waiting for motivation, it’s waiting for the right constraint.

                                In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we follow Dean’s hundred-day phone fasting experiment locking his phone away from 10 AM to noon and what it revealed about the power of inevitability. Dean calls this his most consistently productive stretch ever, and Dan predicts that by the one-year mark, at least 20 other habits will have quietly shifted as a side effect. The big lesson: willpower is unnecessary when you design a system that removes the other options entirely.

                                Dan shares that he’s now at day 116 of his ‘Creating Great Yesterdays’ practice and is finishing a new quarterly book, Yesterday Creates Tomorrow. He also makes a sharp case for proactive health investment twice-yearly full bloodwork, AI-assisted cancer detection, and taking personal ownership of your body rather than waiting for the system to catch something at stage four. The conversation moves into the language of regret, where Dan breaks down why ‘should,’ ‘would,’ and ‘could’ are manipulation words and how reframing your past experience as a source of lessons removes its power over you.

                                The episode closes with a great business story from a Free Zone client: while every gas station in Washington State started charging for bathroom access, he went the other way, free bathrooms for everyone and created lineups of grateful customers who paid double out of sheer relief. It’s the kind of counterintuitive move that’s easy to describe and hard to execute, which is what makes it worth hearing about. This one’s got a few moments you’ll want to replay.

                                Show highlights

                                • Dean’s 100-day phone fasting experiment, locking his device away from 10 AM to noon, produced what he calls the most productive stretch of his entire life.
                                • Dan’s prediction: by the one-year mark, at least 20 other habits will have changed as a quiet side effect of the phone fasting discipline.
                                • The willpower myth, debunked: Dean’s biggest transferable lesson is that the system does the work when you engineer inevitability and remove all other options.
                                • A Free Zone client turned Washington State’s ‘pay $20 before you can use the bathroom’ rule into a competitive advantage, by being the only gas station that didn’t charge.
                                • Dan on why ‘should,’ ‘would,’ and ‘could’ aren’t grammar, they’re manipulation tools used to distort your relationship with the past.
                                • AI is now detecting cancer predisposition three years before convergence happens. Dan’s case for twice-yearly blood panels: 20 extra healthy years for anyone willing to pay attention.
                                • Links

                                  • StrategicCoach.com
                                  • DeanJackson.com
                                  • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/171-the-inevitability-system/

                                    1 hr 6 min
                                  • Thinking What You Think, Liking What You Like

                                    In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, Dean and Dan open with a candid reflection on how the spread of AI is making authentic human presence feel more valuable, not less. From the small signal of Dean wearing an analog watch and missing the daylight savings change, to Dan observing the quiet shift happening in his own sense of discretion about how he spends his time, the conversation quickly finds its footing. They discuss how AI has democratized capability while leaving vision as the truly scarce resource, and why keeping a human in the loop between yourself and the technology may be the smartest positioning for entrepreneurs right now.

                                    The conversation moves through a rich detour on the making of Casablanca, a film nobody wanted to make, staffed by a rotating cast of writers and second-choice actors, that became an all-time classic through trial and error. This leads Dan and Dean into a broader discussion about Rick Rubin’s approach to music production: knowing what you like and being decisive about it, without needing technical ability. Dan connects this back to Strategic Coach and the idea that his thinking tools have always been an expression of thinking about his own thinking. His upcoming quarterly book, Who We’re Looking For, promises to capture exactly that kind of self-aware entrepreneurial identity.

                                    Dean closes with a sharp framework for evaluating the past: the distinction between “could have,” “would have,” and “should have”, and why only one of those carries real emotional charge. He ties it back to their running thread on guessing and betting, suggesting that the people who will win in the next decade are those who can look forward with clarity about what they are uniquely suited to do. This episode is a good one for any entrepreneur who wants to think more clearly about where their real advantage lies.

                                    Show highlights

                                    • As AI democratizes capability, vision becomes the scarce resource — and knowing what you want is worth more than knowing how to do it.
                                    • Dan’s rule for technology and teamwork: only engage if it makes you better at what you’re already uniquely good at.
                                    • Casablanca became a masterpiece by accident, rotating writers, second-choice actors, and a studio that just needed a film for Tuesday.
                                    • Rick Rubin has produced some of the most celebrated music in history without being able to play an instrument, his edge is knowing what he likes and being decisive.
                                    • Dean’s framework for evaluating past decisions: “could have” acknowledges options, “would have” shifts blame outward, and “should have” is the only one with real emotional weight.
                                    • The next decade belongs to people who think what they think, like what they like, and do what they do best, because those are the bets most likely to pay off.
                                    • Links

                                      • StrategicCoach.com
                                      • DeanJackson.com
                                      • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/170-thinking-what-you-think-liking-what-you-like/

                                        55 min
                                      • Arguing With Time

                                        Every conversation has the potential to reveal something useful hidden within the ordinary, and this one delivers several of those moments.

                                        In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, we catch up after Dan's 11th trip to Buenos Aires for his ongoing stem cell treatments, where he shares a remarkable milestone: a 12% increase in brain volume over three years, roughly equivalent to reversing 30 years of cognitive decline. The conversation flows naturally into Dean's growing practice of "phone fasting" and constraining his available hours, and how that's led to a heightened clarity about where attention actually goes each day.

                                        We then dig into the idea of "creating a better past", the practice of making today worth remembering tomorrow, and how this connects to calendar structure, scheduling disciplines, and the real cost of vague future planning. Dan shares why he treats his schedule as a commitment rather than a suggestion, and why words like "should," "would," and "could" are blame-shifting words that quietly block learning and behavior change. Dean's shift to locking in six months of workshops in advance gives a concrete example of how structure actually creates freedom.

                                        The episode closes on a thought worth sitting with: Dan's observation that at the bottom of all unhappiness, there's an argument with time. The conversation between these two has a way of making the abstract feel immediately actionable, worth your full attention.

                                        Show highlights

                                        • Dan increased his brain volume by 12% in three years through stem cell treatments, equivalent to reversing roughly 30 years of cognitive decline.
                                        • Only 0.05% of people are proactively using AI to create output, meaning the competitive advantage window for early adopters remains wide open.
                                        • Strategic Coach's 250 thinking tools stay permanently "upstream" from AI, because AI can only work with what humans have already created and published.
                                        • Dan eliminated "should," "would," and "could" from his vocabulary entirely, calling them blame-shifting words that signal complaint without any intention to change behavior.
                                        • Dean locked in six full months of workshops in advance for the first time, discovering that visible structure on the calendar creates bookings, and momentum that vague future planning never could.
                                        • Dan's rule for unhappiness: at the bottom of every persistent dissatisfaction, you'll find someone having an unwinnable argument with time.
                                        • Links

                                          • StrategicCoach.com
                                          • DeanJackson.com
                                          • Show notes: https://deanjackson.com/podcasts/wtc/169-arguing-with-time/

                                            1 hr 4 min

                                          About Welcome to Cloudlandia

                                          From the publisher's feed

                                          Dean Jackson and Dan Sullivan think out loud about business, marketing, technology, and the ongoing move of the economy into "Cloudlandia", the digital-first world layered over the physical one.…