We're Not Marketers

We're Not Marketers

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  • PMM training: how to stay relevant in product marketing

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Introduction and Host Introductions

    01:18 The Importance of Training in Product Marketing

    01:54 Identifying Unique Superpowers

    07:18 The Value of Formal Education and Certifications

    16:42 Applying Knowledge in Real-World Scenarios

    19:41 Leveraging Data Analytics in Product Marketing

    26:13 Continuous Learning and Networking

    33:01 Conclusion and Newsletter Promotion

     

    Show Notes:

    • Million Dollar Consulting
    • Yi Lin Pei’s The PMM Dream Job Blueprint 
    • Ready for Launch
    • B2B Messaging Course
    • Yerba MATTTEEEEEE

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    36 min
  • What B2B product marketers can learn from B2C w/ Carlota Güell

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction and Host Intros

    01:07 Meet Our Guest: Carlota Guell

    03:28 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?

    08:18 B2B vs B2C Marketing Insights

    20:36 The Emotional Buying Pyramid

    24:22 Fun Lightning Round with Carlota

    26:43 Closing Remarks and Where to Find Carlota

     

    Show Notes

    Product Marketing Stories podcast

    Carlota Guell's LinkedIn profile

     


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    29 min
  • The unconventional highway to product marketing w/ Harvey Lee

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling the World of Product Marketing

    00:16 Special Guest Harvey Lee: From Business to Rockstar

    01:45 The Great Debate: Are Marketers Really Marketers?

    05:14 A Dive into Marketing History with the McElroy Memo

    12:01 The Evolution of Product Marketing in the Digital Age

    18:43 Navigating the Pathways to Becoming a Full Stack Marketer

    21:45 The Journey from Sales, CS, to Product Marketing: A Comparative Analysis

    26:42 Debunking Marketing Myths: Beyond 'Build It and They Will Come'

    27:58 The Importance of Marketing Training and Accessibility

    28:51 Harvey's Journey: Leaving PMA and Embracing Advisory Roles

    34:16 The Power of Fit in Hiring and Career Growth

    38:29 Mastering Product Marketing: Skills, Training, and Community

    41:13 Harvey Lee's Insights: Full Stack Marketing and Beyond

    44:16 Connecting with Harvey Lee: Books, Awards, and More

     

    Show Notes:

    ⁠ Below the Waterline Newsletter⁠

    ⁠Get his book Backstage Pass⁠

    ⁠Harvey's Website⁠

    ⁠Harvey's LinkedIn ⁠


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    48 min
  • Standing tall in a "layoff-heavy" PMM job market w/ Yi Lin Pei

    Show Notes

    0:00 Standing tall in a "layoff-heavy" PMM job market w/ Yi Lin Pei

    00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling Product Marketing Mysteries

    00:17 Introducing Yi Lin Pei: From Visual Artist to Product Marketing Pro

    03:03 The Unique Role of Product Marketers: Strategists, Not Just Marketers

    06:07 Mastering Product Marketing: Strategies for Success and Growth

    10:15 The Torture Chamber Game: Tough Choices for a Product Marketer

    21:05 Navigating Layoffs: Yi Lin's Perspective and Support for PMMs

    21:39 Navigating the Challenging Job Market: Strategies and Insights

    22:51 Differentiation in Job Applications: Standing Out in a Competitive Market

    23:37 Career Switching Advice: Embracing Stepping Stone Roles

    24:45 Personal Success Stories: Leveraging Unique Backgrounds for Career Advancement

    27:15 The Importance of Differentiation Throughout the Hiring Process

    32:03 Advocacy and Representation: Addressing Underrepresentation in Tech

    38:35 Leadership and Advocacy: Supporting Underrepresented Groups in the Workplace

    44:07 Yi Lin's PMM Superpower and Final Thoughts

     

    Resources:

    Courageous Careers Newsletter⁠

    ⁠Positioning for Growth podcast⁠

    ⁠Yi Lin Pei LinkedIn


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    48 min
  • Why we faked the pod’s “end of life” last month? Emotional engagement.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Welcome to Season 2: The Unforgettable Comeback

    00:55 The Big Reveal: Why We Faked Our Podcast's Death

    02:59 Emotional Engagement and Its Impact

    05:22 The Aftermath: Listener Reactions and Personal Reflections

    12:53 Introducing the Newsletter: A New Way to Engage

    15:52 The Misfit Community: Engaging with Our Audience

    17:17 Kicking Off with Casual Banter

    17:48 Deep Dive into Emotional Engagement

    20:02 Exploring Product Marketing Challenges

    24:58 Personal Growth and Professional Evolution

    27:05 Embracing the Consulting Journey

    33:06 Wrapping Up and Looking Forward

     

    Show notes:

    ⁠We’re Not Marketers Website⁠

    ⁠Dying 4 Influence Newsletter⁠

    ⁠Ruben Studdard’s Sorry 2004⁠


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    36 min
  • How we've reached 2500 podcast downloads in 4 months with a $300 budget

    Timestamps:

    01:45 WNM origin story

    05:40 How we came up with the name

    14:00 The skeleton branding

    26:09 Consistency and humor in our marketing

    31:28 Consistency in podcasting

    34:43 Our differentiation and favorite guests

    48:10 Survey results with Adam McQueen from Klue

    01:03:14 Final verdict and end of the podcast?

     

    Show Notes:

    The original We’re Not Marketers post

    Adam McQueen LinkedIn

     


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    1 hr 7 min
  • Don’t review messaging internally, message test instead w/ Peep Laja

     

    Timestamps:

    01:39 The role of product marketing in the B2B landscape

    03:14 Why website ownership and conversion rates matter for PMMs

    04:42 Challenges and strategies to be aware when managing website messaging

    06:52 The evolution and future of message testing

    07:22 CEO's Role as a product Marketer in Startups

    09:53 Why messaging is underestimated in B2B

    13:05 Message testing and market trends

    16:24 Advices for solo PMM on messaging

    19:38 How to improve your message clarity and relevance

    20:56 How to leverage customer feedback with your messaging

    24:29 How Peep is building influence and engaging on LinkedIn

    26:43 What makes Spryng different from other B2B events

    29:42 The Messaging Torture Chamber

    34:19 Where to find Peep and learn more from him

     

    Show Notes:

    Wynter

    Hemingway App

    Sales Pitch by April Dunford

    B2B Messaging course

    Spryng event 

    Peep LinkedIn

     


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    37 min
  • How PMMs can tie revenue with competitive intelligence w/ Clara Smyth

    Timestamps:

    02:47 Clara's Journey into Competitive Intelligence

    03:45 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?

    05:10 The Role of Competitive Intelligence in Revenue Generation

    08:01 The Importance of Being Selfless in Product Marketing

    10:33 Ideal Structure for Competitive Intelligence

    13:02 Misconceptions about Competitive Intelligence

    16:22 The Power of Competitive Intelligence Newsletters

    19:21 Building a Content Creation Team

    21:31 Investing in Competitive Intelligence

    25:23 The Evolution of Competitive Intelligence

    28:20 Handling Internal Requests and Prioritizing Competitors

    34:00 Special Projects and Where to Find Clara

     

    Show Notes:

    Clara LinkedIn 

    Back Office to Boardroom Spotify

    Back Office to Boardroom Apple Podcasts


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    36 min
  • Let’s get clear about product messaging w/ Zach Messler

    Timestamps:

     

     

    01:30 Zach Messler's Background and Journey

    03:20 The Big Question: Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?

    09:26 Zach's Philosophy and Approach to Marketing

    18:27 The Importance of Clarity in Messaging

    20:11 The Hierarchy of Clarity

    24:56 The Power of Context in Messaging

    30:31 The Importance of Context in Problem-Solution Approach

    31:44 The Role of Product Marketers and Its Challenges

    32:28 Strategies to Enhance Product Marketing Role

    33:12 The Power of Negotiation in Product Marketing

    37:31 The Impact of Trade Shows in Product Marketing

    39:52 The Art of Messaging in Product Marketing

    48:23 The Essence of Product Messaging

     

    Show notes:

    Zach LinkedIn 

    Never split the difference by Christopher Voss

    Clarity Rules


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    57 min
  • How to use data to tell a better story in B2B

    Timestamps:

    00:24 The Importance of Data in Marketing

    05:12 Effective Storytelling with Data

    07:20 The Power of Positioning and Market Insight

    11:57 The Balance Between Creativity and Metrics

    16:42 The Challenges of Data Analytics in Product Marketing

    21:17 Measuring Podcasts for Thought Leadership

    24:00 The Problem of Instant Gratification

    28:20 The Importance of Balance in Growth

    31:26 The Role of Data in Guiding Initiatives

    33:21 The Power of Gut Feeling and Hard Work

     

    Show Notes:

    April Dunford Positioning Podcast

    FletchPMM Notion Cheatsheet

    Devin Reed LinkedIn

    ProductivePMM Notion Hub


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    39 min

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B2B product marketers in SaaS businesses are feeling misunderstood. Struggling to position what they do internally. Colleagues not having one clear idea what they do either.

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