In this special live recording of To Save Us From Hell, our sister podcast about the UN, co-host Anjali Dayal and I discuss the highlights (and lowlights) from the confirmation hearing for Donald Trump’s pick as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

Elise Stefanik, a member of Congress from New York and a staunch Donald Trump loyalist, did not display the hardcore MAGA vibes one might expect during her confirmation hearing. As Anjali and I note, she came across as a fairly conventional Republican—touching on many familiar GOP talking points about the United Nations, but without suggesting that she believes the U.S. should withdraw from the UN or pursue any particularly radical actions.

To be honest, this may come as a relief to many at the UN, especially since just hours before the hearing, Donald Trump signed an executive order demanding American withdrawal from the World Health Organization.