In a recent episode of the widely-followed podcast "Hidden Killers", host Tony Brueski sits down with retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, Robin Dreeke, to dive deep into the enigmatic Rex Heuermann case. The discussion provides fresh insights into a story that has garnered nationwide attention, particularly regarding the treatment and involvement of Heuermann's family in the aftermath of his arrest.

 

 For those unfamiliar with the backdrop, Rex Heuermann was recently arrested under allegations that were both shocking and controversial. Some accusations have been presented by John Ray, an attorney representing victims of the infamous Gilgo Beach incident. Brueski opened up the conversation, pointing to the abundant "talk and speculation about the family themselves", highlighting concerns about Heuermann's children and soon-to-be ex-wife.

 

 John Ray's position suggests a more in-depth investigation into the family's potential involvement. Brueski paraphrases Ray's sentiments: "there should be a closer look at this family, not just immediately wiping them away." However, the counter-argument from the family's legal counsel implies such claims are unwarranted: "these allegations shouldn't even be dignified with a response."

 

 But Dreeke, drawing upon his years of experience, shares a critical viewpoint on the matter. "You know, as investigators, you investigate everything," he emphasizes. It's not just about suspecting the family's involvement but recognizing their potential value as witnesses. He further elaborates, "the stats are... the probabilities of them being witting of anything. Slim to none." Yet, having lived with Heuermann for years, their testimonies could offer new dimensions into the man's activities and patterns.

 

 Dreeke refers to the BTK killer's case, suggesting the importance of having open dialogues with family members who can shed light on overlooked details. "Because they might be aware of trips he took during time periods that might coincide with other murders, with other missing people and things like that," he notes, stressing the importance of not disregarding the family as invaluable resources.

 

 However, the narrative isn't just about law enforcement missing potential leads. It delves into the alleged mistreatment of the family during investigations. Brueski points out how the family's house was "ripped up and destroyed" and even their pets faced dire consequences. Dreeke identifies this as a significant shortcoming, stating, "Almost making an enemy out of your possible allies and resources in this."

 

 The crux of the conversation then shifts to the potential reasons for this oversight. For Dreeke, it always comes down to one thing: "Leadership." Drawing from recent events, like escapes from Pennsylvania prisons, Dreeke believes that poor decisions or practices often root back to inadequate leadership at the helm. Brueski chimes in with his observation, "I think the thing that tainted this years ago was that chief. That is now been arrested and that it starts there."

 

 Beyond the specifics of the Heuermann case, the discussion opens up broader issues about the human side of law enforcement. Dreeke addresses the challenging confirmation bias that can plague officers, given their consistent exposure to the darker sides of humanity. "Your first inclination a lot of times is not, 'Hey, let's partner with these people'", he remarks, referring to potential witnesses or family members of the accused.

 

 In closing, both Brueski and Dreeke emphasize the need for a holistic approach to investigations, one that takes into account not just the collection of evidence but the human elements involved. Dreeke's call for a "point person dedicated towards creating a relationship with the family" underscores the broader ethos of the discussion: law enforcement must prioritize the larger picture, ensuring that investigations are both comprehensive and compassionate.

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