In this episode, Kevin Daisey sits down with legal marketing expert Gary Sarner to break down the true secrets of law firm growth. Together, they explore why small cases often generate more referrals than big ones, why intake is one of the most important parts of your business, and why authentic human connection still beats AI in building trust with clients. Gary and Kevin share real stories from years of working with law firms across the country and highlight what separates successful, growing firms from those that remain stuck.

If you want to strengthen your culture, improve your service, and increase referrals, this conversation is packed with practical insights you can use right away.

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