Bonnie shares this quote from Jesh de Rox and her thoughts about living and leading in a way that makes ripples.

"It doesn't have anything to do with imagination. It has to do with you and your relationship with yourself. And how willing you are to be ridiculous in front of other people. What people are really going to connect with the most strongly is going to be the same part of your best friend's love about you. Practice getting to that part. And it doesn't have anything to do with other people. I'm not trying to convince anyone. What people are really moved by is you being moved."

Jesh de Rox podcasts:

• Practical Forms of Self Love
• The Wisdom of Madness

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Photo: Jess Keating

Producer: Marcus Strange

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