The emerging edge of leadership and innovation lies in the realm of the intangible. How can we become more comfortable with moving into not-knowing, given that our transformation as a culture depends on it? In this conversation with Nicholas Janni and Bob Anderson we explore the subtle capacities that are necessary for creating fields of innovation, the psychological threshold of not knowing, working with shadow, integral consciousness and the power of group amplification. Nicholas Janni has spent 30 years researching ‘the zone’ of peak performance and studying multiple mind/body disciplines. Over the last 15 years he has gained an international reputation for his transformational coaching and leadership development seminars. He works with CEO’s and senior leadership teams worldwide, is a former Associate Fellow at The University of Oxford Said Business School and teaches regularly at the IMD in Lausanne. Bob Anderson is the founder, Chairman and Chief Development Officer of The Leadership Circle and the Full Circle Group. Over the past 35 years, Bob has dedicated his career to exploring the intersections between leadership and mastery, competence and consciousness, spirituality and business. He works with CEOs and leadership teams to help them improve their leadership effectiveness and is the co-author of the book, Mastering Leadership, described as the next seminal work in the leadership field.