"I'm tired of having this conversation, I'm tired of seeing these images, I'm tired of the pain and the trauma."

Ben Chan sits down with Luis and talks about his experience growing up in New York an American born Chinese and the racism he encountered. Luis and Ben have the hard conversation of what diversity and inclusion actually looks like. Ben shares his experience of donating a kidney, donating his NY Marathon medal, GVRAT, why his race team withdrew from CRAW, BLM, and finding HBCUs Outside.

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Ben Chan Contact Info:

Instagram: @malerunner

FB: https://www.facebook.com/UppityChinaman/

HBCUs Outside FB: https://www.facebook.com/HBCUsOutside/

Luis Escobar (Host) Contact:

[email protected]

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Kevin Lyons (Producer) Contact:

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Music: Slow Burn by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Photo: Photography by Kaori Peters

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