This week's episode features Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, the hosts of the incredible At Last She Said It podcast. In conversation with LDF host Dan Wotherspoon, they share many things about their experiences with it over the two years since its launch. How is it being received? Who is listening? What are the primary themes that come up again and again? In the course of the dialogue, they discuss how women too often feel unseen and unheard within the church. How they are restless. About their concerns for their daughters coming into an environment that doesn't feel safe or encouraging of their full expression as women. The guests and host also have a conversation about how women who are so used to being powerless at church often also feel powerless in their own spiritual lives. The conversation also turns to practical concerns, such as how they would react should any church leaders ask them to stop recording the podcast (and how quite a few listeners worry about that situation possibly arising for them). They also talk of the harms of patriarchy and how it will need commitment by both women and men if it is going to be lessened or dismantled entirely.

Dan also turns the tables by asking them the question that they ask their podcasts guests: What do you know? (At least know today.) Listen in! This is a rich discussion that we know you'll enjoy and gain much from!