My friend Isaac Durfey (who was on episode 833) joins us to update listeners on his journey including:

* Parent leaving on a mission

* What happened to help him stopping “hating himself for being gay”

* Importance of new beginnings

* Friends like Jake and Joe Sharp (who were on episode 811)

* Feeling about the Family Proclamation

* Hope for the future

* Love of the LDS Church and the support/love he receives

Thank you, my friend Isaac, for being on the podcast—you are a good man.

Links:

Episode 833: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/episode-833-isaac-durfey-black-gay-latter-day-saint/id1347971725?i=1000710494050

Episode 811: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/episode-811-jake-and-joe-sharp-lost-brother-sam-to/id1347971725?i=1000691741343

My friend Russ Hinckely (mid 60s, married father of three, lives in Arizona, career in business) joins us to talk about his new book “Beyond Belief”. Russ’s book focuses “not just what we hold in our minds and hearts, but what we DO and how we actually LIVE the teachings of Christ (from Ashlie Carnecelli)—and “how one can truly follow Jesus in walking the path rather than just believing in it (from Jeff Anderson).”

“Beyond Belief” is a pragmatic look at what Jesus taught and the behaviors He modeled. While creeds highlight foundational elements of our beliefs, they are only the starting point to living His teachings. One Amazon reviewer writes “ Russ Hinckley's "Beyond Belief" where we are reminded to get back to the basics of what Jesus was all about.”

If you are looking for a book to put into action Jesus’s teachings to bless/help/heal others (and ourselves), please listen to this podcast and read/share Russ’s powerful book.

Thank you, Russ, for helping us move “beyond belief” to make the teachings of Jesus’s actionable to bless others.

Links:

Russ’s book at Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CRPTF1B8

Russ’s e-mail: [email protected]

My friend Dr. Chad Ford (Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Utah State University, prior director of McKay Center at BYU-Hawaii, expert of conflict resolution, PhD Georgetown University, joins us to talk about his new book published by Deseret Book “Seventy Times Seven: Jesus’s Path to Conflict Transformation”. Amazon reviews mention “one of the best they’ve read about Jesus, how it inspires readers to embrace compassion, encourages reflection and discussion, and practical application”.

Chad talks about the “Gospel of Reconciliation” using the teachings and example of Jesus to apply to our lives. In the podcast he talks about principals to reduce tension and increase understand between current Latter-day Saints and former Latter-day Saints—and also to manage political tension within our congregations.

Chad also talks about REPAIR (inaugural event in October 2025) bringing together world-class peacemakers to help attendees have better skills to navigate conflict.

If you are looking to be a more effective peacemaker and disciple of Christ, I encourage you to listen to this episode, read Chad’s book, and share his work with others. Chad brings his academic training, decades of experience, and insights into Jesus’s teachings to help us all better navigate conflict. I learned so much listening to Chad—and am deeply inspired.

Thank you, Chad, for your much needed work in our community.

Links:

Chad’s weekly newsletter: chadford.substack.com

Chad’s new book Seventy Times Seven: amzn.to/439uaY9

Chad’s book on conflict Dangerous Love: amzn.to/4oLGFkQ

More information on Repair: waymakers.substack.com

*Note: This episode is about my goal to reduce the tension between those who stay in the Church and those who leave**

My friend Andy Newman (married father of three, Ex-Mormon, therapist, LGBTQ ally, bridge builder) joins for a series of episodes. In this episode, Andy talks about “the shame train” during his youth including:

*Porn, substance use, and working with his church leaders

* Shame around the “addiction label”, restrictions (temple trips), and falsely seeing himself as a “terrible addict”

* How porn/substance use was more about self-medicating from the shame and trauma than a desire to displease God

* How his worth become dependent on church leaders

* All the people who helped him along the way

Andy then talks about his road to be an LGBTQ ally:

* Started in high school in Iowa with proximity to queer people

* Felt he had to choose the Church over queer people

* Powerful post-mission experience giving a blessing to a queer student at BYU-I

* Fully taking on the ally role following the pulse nightclub shooting

* Staying in the church as an ally

* What led him to eventually leave the Church

Andy also talks about why he isn’t trying to get other people to leave the Church—but trying to build bridges of understanding. In the next episode, will talk about his mixed-faith marriage (Andy’s wife is active LDS) and how they have a beautiful/supportive marriage—including Andy attending church.

Thank you, my friend Andy, for being on the podcast and your great heart and clinical skills to help heal others and bring us together as the same human family. You are a good man and friend.

Links:

Psychology today:

www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/andy-newman-gilbert-az/974441

IG: www.instagram.com/andynewmanlpc/

TikTok:

www.tiktok.com/@deconstruction_therapy

My friend Suzie Greco—a survivor of child sex abuse and domestic abuse, a Latter-day Saint, a Harvard Divinity School graduate (Master's in Theology), a doctoral candidate, and an advocate in numerous organizations working to end abuse—joins us to share her powerful story and discuss her new book, The Stone Sphere.

In this must-listen-to podcast, Suzie shares:

* The meaning behind the title and image on the front cover of the book.

Untrained Ministry and Institutional Harm, including both positive and negative experiences with her Stake President, David F. Hollard—who gave Suzie permission to include his name and their experiences in the book.

* A Transformative Theology of Forgiveness—a much healthier framework for healing.

* Pathways to Healing, Redemption, and Spiritual Transcendence, the golden thread of the book.

It's hard to overstate the power and importance of this conversation. Suzie is doing breakthrough, trailblazing work. I learned so much and was deeply moved.

If you are a survivor of abuse—sexual, domestic, clergy, or otherwise—please listen. This episode will help you. (You are also welcome to reach out to Suzie directly; her email is in the show notes.) And if you are a local church leader, friend, family member, or really anyone else, please listen and share this podcast and Suzie’s book. It will provide you with better tools to help and support others.

I truly wish I had heard this podcast and read Suzie’s book before my own church assignments—I would have been so much better equipped to help provide healing.

Thank you, Suzie, for writing this book and for your vulnerability on the podcast. Your insights, courage, and work are helping so many. You are one of my new heroes.

Links:

Suzie’s Website: https://www.thestonesphere.com/

Suzie’s Email: [email protected]

Book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FD9FT8B1

Suzie’s Facebook :https://www.facebook.com/suzgrec2

Dialogue Journal Article, "Confronting Men's Violence Against Women & Girls in the LDS Church": https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/confronting-mens-violence-against-women-and-girls-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints/

My friend Autumn McAlpin (co-director and mother of two queer sons) and Vienna Boyes (co-director, mid 20s, queer) join us to share their stories and also their new feature length documentary called “Sanctuary”.

Sanctuary—a must see—is a powerful documentary telling stories at the intersection of being a Latter-day Saint (and other Christian faiths) and being LGBTQ. I watched Sanctuary and was deeply moved hearing powerful stories/projects/efforts of queer people, parents, allies, and local church leaders. I learned so much and was deeply moved.

I encourage everyone to watch Sanctuary (see show notes) and share with others. The film will be going on a screening tour in early 2026 before being released on streamers -- please follow the film's website and Instagram for screening announcements.

Thank you, Autumn, and Vienna—and everyone involved with the documentary. You are making a huge difference in our community!

Links:

Sanctuary Web Site: https://sanctuarydoc.com/

Sanctuary Instagram: @sanctuarydocfilm

Vienna's Instagram: @indigothestudio

Autumn's Instagram: @autumnmcalpin

Spencer’s Song: https://open.spotify.com/track/2qKXdi4mxZ0rXGoxJ6jlCF

My friend Bryson Lind (active gay Latter-day Saint, mid 30’s) joins us to discuss his new therapy practice in Utah (Aletheia Counseling) and important topics he helps clients (LGBTQ and straight) solve including:

* Overcoming unwanted behaviors

* Reconstructing a relationship with the Divine

* Honoring everyone’s path

* Trusting our Light of Christ/Inner Compass

* Navigating relationships with parents and leaders

* Developing self-confidence and patience

If you are looking for a therapist (or insights from a therapist to help you—or to be a better ally for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints), this is a must listen podcast. Bryson’s brings his lived experience, clinical training, and 5 years of clinical practice together to offer powerful solutions and principles. I was so moved listening to Bryson and so grateful to have him back on the podcast.

Thank you, Bryson. You are a good man doing great work in our community.

Links:

Bryson’s e-mail: [email protected]

Bryson’s Work Phone: 385-442-9721

Bryson’s earlier podcast: https://soundcloud.com/user-818501778/episode-588-bryson-lind-rm-byu-grad-gay-clinical-mental-health-counselor

Bryson’s Psychology Today profile: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/bryson-garrett-lind-provo-ut/1090307

My friend Rob Metalf (married father of two, age 33) joins us to share his journey with his mental health (OCD/anxiety) and his physical health (Ankylosing spondylitis—or AS). Rob (guitar player and songwriter) has formed a band (TOWN!) and is releasing an album (The Road Trip) that captures many of his life experiences. The first song (Forever—see show notes) is a song about his anxiety. In the podcast, Rob talks about other songs that on the album talking about important and sensitive subjects (suicide, relationship with the Church, Alzheimer's).

In the podcast, Rob shares his journey with AS (undiagnosed for a long time) and how it took him from an avid outdoorsman to—on his worse days—bedridden. Rob talks about his journey to find a diagnosis and the right medication to get him in a better spot—and all the people that helped him along the way. Rob is honest about feeling angry/abandon by God and how we can better support people with long-term health challenges.

Rob is one of my heroes. He is a survivor and now using his gifts to help others through sharing his story and his music. I encourage you to listen to and share this podcast and his music. Thank you, Rob, for being on the podcast. You are a good man.

Links:

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5B6F6RaBY79SLmTIZvOzLs?si=495f1a71eacd480e&nd=1&dlsi=cc0b82d21bb24d6e

Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/forever/1826704391?i=1826704454

Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abandcalledtown/

Talk given in our YSA Ward on the character of our Heavenly Parents and Jesus—and how that brings us peace, healing, and hope.

Focused on seven concepts:

1) Our Heavenly Parents love all Their children

2) We have to believe/know we are acceptable to God. That we are created as intended. That no one is a mistake

3) Zion isn’t sameness

4) Jesus loves to forgive

5) Whole and complete now

6) Don’t feel you are behind

7) Throw out the dating checklist

Links:

Seven Tips for Overcoming Porn Use: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/10/young-adults/7-tips-for-overcoming-pornography-use

How the Savior’s Healing Applies to Repenting from Sexual Sin: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/08/young-adults/how-the-saviors-healing-power-applies-to-repenting-from-sexual-sin

My friends Aaron and Julie Bujnowski (married parents of two; living North of Dallas, Texas, active Latter-day Saints) join us to talk about their new book “Navigating to Jesus: A Journey of Faith.” In this important 10-chapter book, Aaron and Julie share many of their own difficult/wounding experiences (both in and out of the Church), and their path forward to healing and staying in the Church is Jesus.

Thank you, Aaron and Julie, for opening up your hearts in writing this needed book and being on the podcast. I am grateful for your courage to talk about some of your difficult life experiences, and “navigating to Jesus” is the answer. I encourage everyone to check out your book!

Links:

Amazon: https://a.co/d/cUw0Y09

Cedar Fort: https://www.cedarfort.com/products/navigating-to-jesus-a-journey-of-faith?sca_ref=2861413.ytmX5gv94t

Instagram: @navigatingtojesus

Earlier episode on Listen, Learn, and Love (episode 647): soundcloud.com/user-818501778/episode-647-aaron-and-julie-bujnowski-new-book-discovering-your-temple-insights