In this conversation with CEO of the Jazz Leadership Project, Greg Thomas, we explore the process of racialization, how racialized worldviews impact development, the limits of the anti-racism movement, cultural intelligence, antagonistic cooperation and a more expansive approach to the topic of deracialization. Greg Thomas is the CEO and Co-Founder of the Jazz Leadership Project. Greg embodies the strategic vision of the company and enacts it during live workshops and for the Tune In To Leadership blog. The Co-Creator of G&J Productions, Greg has been instrumental in developing humanities programs for top cultural organizations such as Jazz at Lincoln Center. As a journalist and scholar, he has conducted in-depth research and conducted hundreds of interviews over the course of his career. Greg has given presentations on jazz, culture, race, and democratic life and values for a range of online platforms and institutions such Columbia, Hamilton and Harvard. Visit coachesrising.com to see our acclaimed online coach trainings and other offerings.