In this conversation with Bonnitta Roy we explore Bonnitta’s key points on Dave Snowden’s views on developmental Stage Theory and metamodernism, the empirical fallacy, the nature of mind, action protocols for development and moving away from Stage Theory. Bonnitta Roy teaches insight practices for individuals who are developing meta-cognitive skills, and hosts collective insight retreats for groups interested in breaking away from limiting patterns of thought. She teaches a masters course in consciousness studies and transpersonal psychology at the Graduate Institute. Her teaching highlights the embodied, affective and perceptual aspects of the core self, and the non-egoic potentials from which subtle sensing, intuition and insight emerge. Bonnitta is the author of the popular Medium publication Our Future at Work. She is an associate editor of Integral Review where you can also find her articles on process approaches to consciousness, perception, and metaphysics. Visit coachesrising.com to see our acclaimed online coach trainings and other offerings.