At Work with The Ready

17. Making Meaningful Progress with Dr. Jason Fox


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We talk a lot about the importance of emergence—of being more comfortable with being uncomfortable. However, it’s hard to practice what you preach… especially for a podcast with a tight schedule. Normally, when one of two hosts is out of commission, you don’t record. But when this recently happened to us, we asked “How might we?” and took a big ol’ step into the unknown.


We’re glad we did, because this week’s guest is Dr. Jason Fox, a self-proclaimed wizard-philosopher, best-selling author, and senior leadership advisor to Fortune 500 companies around the world. In classic wizard-philosopher fashion, he and Sam throw out the script for a far-reaching conversation about the importance of rituals, the roles we play when we’re at work, and how embracing uncertainty is where the magic truly happens.


Learn more about Jason:

  • On his website
  • On LinkedIn
  • Read How to Lead A Quest or The Game Changer

  • Follow us on LinkedIn and Instagram for more org design nerdery!


    Got an idea for future episodes or a thorny workplace question you need answered? Shoot us a message to [email protected].


    Mentioned references:

    • Game Frame, book by Aaron Dignan
    • Brave New Work, book by Aaron Dignan
    • James Carse, author of Finite and Infinite Games
    • Rodney's "I am CEO vs I hold the role of CEO": AWWTR Ep. 14
    • Lands of Lorecraft, series of articles by Venkatesh Rao
    • Jevons Paradox
    • "rivalrous dynamics"
    • "multipolar traps"
    • "operating rhythm": BNW Ep. 118
    • Creativity, Inc., book by Ed Catmull and Amy Wallace
    • basilisk
    • "GTD": BNW Ep. 39 with David Allen
    • John Keats and "negative capability"
    • Antifragile, book by Nassim Taleb
    • "Metacrisis"
    • The Ministry for the Future, book by Kim Stanley Robinson
    • Children of Time, series by Adrian Tchaikovsky
    • The Expanse, series by James S.A. Corey
    • The Culture, series by Iain M. Banks

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