In this conversation with Pat Williams we speak about the differences between a new coach, a professional coach and a master coach, the power of metaphor, the importance of non-formulaic coaching, creating transformational coaches and critiques of the industry. Dr Pat Wiliams is an author and personal development coach who has been in the industry for over four decades. He is a founding member of the ICF and an inaugural member of its Circle of Distinction, a Master Certified Coach, a Board-Certified Coach, and a member of Forbes Coaching Council. In 2018, he was honored to be in the inaugural Circle of Distinction for the International Coach Federation. He founded the Institute for Life Coach Training (ILCT), which specializes in training those with a human services orientation and is the author of six books about professional coaching Dr. Pat currently provides coaching to Navy Seals, prisoners and formerly incarcerated, and teaches and mentors at several coach training entities. Visit coachesrising.com to find out about our new training course The Power of Presence, starting May 10th. Enrolment open now: https://www.coachesrising.com/powerofpresence/