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172: Charlie Hoehn - Play Your Anxiety Away • Find Work That Doesn't Feel Like Work • Intentional Acts Of Kindness


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Charlie is the author of Play It Away and Recession-Proof Graduate. He's spoken at the Pentagon, TEDx, and universities around the world. Charlie is the Head of Podcast & Video for Book in a Box. He lives in Austin, Texas with his wife and two dogs.

Today we’re talking about Charlie's experience with extreme anxiety and how he cured it primarily through play and switching to a play mindset.

In this episode, we discuss:

  • How he coordinated a huge event for Tim Ferriss
  • The 1:3 sleep to wake ratio
  • Charlie's slow and steady build to debilitating anxiety
  • The various modalities Charlie tried to help relieve his anxiety eg. meditation, supplements, psychedelics, & fasting
  • The book that was the tipping point during Charlie’s anxiety recovery
  • How play completely cured Charlie of anxiety and depression within a few weeks
  • How improv allowed Charlie to embrace what was going on in the moment
  • Adopting a play mindset
  • Children generally fall into one of 3 categories: secure, avoidant, or anxious
  • We can all choose to view the world as a playground and the world tends to respond accordingly
  • How to figure out what types of play best suits you
  • Start by scheduling in as little as 30 minutes of play a week
  • Outdoor sports are one of the best ways to reduce anxiety, especially in men
  • Pay to play
  • Fitting play into the workday
  • It's ideal to find work that doesn't feel like work
  • Finland has up to 2 hours of recess a day
  • Are tracking devices such as Fitbit’s and social media taking away from the play experience?
  • The less screen time you get, the happier you're going to be
  • It's liberating to get rid of stuff - minimalism
  • Finding an environment/location that supports your wellbeing
  • Start smiling and saying hello to strangers on the street
  • Intentional vs. random acts of kindness
  • The more sleep you get, the better your work is
  • The ultimate cheat in life... a 15-20 minute nap

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Related links:

Charlie Hoehn - Play It Away (book)

Charlie Hoehn's website

Follow Charlie Hoehn on Facebook, and Instagram

Charlie Hoehn - Play For A Living (book)

Charlie Hoehn - Recession Proof Graduate (book)

Author Hour with Charlie Hoehn (podcast)

Stuart Brown - Play (book)

Tim Ferriss - The 4-Hour Chef (book)

The Five-Minute Journal

Tucker Max (books)

John Bowlby (books)

Trophy Kids (documentary)

Cal Newport (books)

Move - Daily activity to stay healthy (iOS app)

Napoleon Hill - Outwitting the Devil (book)

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303: Emily Fletcher – Stress Less… Accomplish More, Mindfulness vs. Meditation, Secrets To Manifesting

286: Cal Newport – Digital Minimalism • Create Time For Solitude • Stop Socializing On Social Media

252: Srinivas Rao – Creating For An Audience Of One • Creativity Leads To Happiness • Cognitive Bandwidth

222: Focus Friday – More Play

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