Zach Leary (like Kelly Carlin, ep #172) managed to grow up in a world somewhat distorted by his father's fame without becoming distorted himself. As you'll hear, he's got a very thoughtful, balanced, and deeply informed perspective on himself, the world, and his place in it.

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