Circling founder Guy joins me to discuss childhood weightlifting, masculine excess and surrender, the beginnings of Circling, inter-subjective mediation, listening, conflict, being "weird", the dance conversation, technology and communication, Martin Buber's I and thou, the criticality of relationships, implicit communication, the nervous system, how embodiments form via listening, projections, the vulnerability of authority, online vs face-to-face and we end with some top practical tips. A flowing, deep fun conversation.

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