Reaching 200 episodes of any podcast is a milestone worth celebrating. But when you're recording with your spouse while simultaneously building a business together? That's a whole different level of achievement.

In this special anniversary episode, we pull back the curtain on what it's like to navigate the complex terrain of intimate partnership while also being public-facing business collaborators. Our journey hasn't always been smooth—in fact, there were times when working together nearly broke us apart—but the lessons we've learned have been invaluable for our relationship and for the work we do with others.

Whether you're considering starting a venture with your partner or simply curious about how relationships evolve through professional collaboration, tune in for some candid reflections into this messy and beautiful process!

In this episode, we talk about:

— Our unexpected journey from recording 13 simple book-companion episodes to creating 200 episodes and building a business together

— The painful lessons from our first business venture together and how those early struggles shaped our current dynamic

— Why the wrong leadership structure in a partnership can create ongoing tension and resentment

— How fear-based decision making led to overworking and boundary violations in our early business relationship

— The importance of claiming your authentic strengths and limitations when working with a partner

— Why watching your partner interact professionally with others can deepen trust in unexpected ways

— The spiral nature of learning in partnership—how each "failure" can lead to greater self-awareness if you're willing to be honest about your limitations

— How business collaboration can serve as a powerful individuation opportunity when you allow it to reflect your inner world

— The delicate balance of supporting your partner's spotlight while managing your own feelings of envy

— Why creating a podcast together can be both navel-gazing and self-indulgent and meaningful and potentially transformative

Resources mentioned in this episode:

— Project Relationship: The book that started our podcasting journey together

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Music: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions