Brenda J and Karen W interview Nathan Apffel, two time Emmy Award winning film director who is releasing a docuseries called The Religion Business and an app called Broken Shepherds on July 10, 2025. He bought the  domain, The Religion Business, and started asking pastors about their salaries and where their money was going. He started at age 28, and after 12 years of no accountability or transparency, finished his 7 part docuseries and app that is about to change the world. In this episode, Nathan talks about how and why the IRS will not intervene to help resolve these abusive loopholes in the system. Nathan talks more in detail about his app which should be available any day to the public.  Nathan's app rates nonprofits and churches based on transparency of their finances and salaries so donors are educated about who they are giving their money to. For more info or to get a discounted price on the documentary click below:

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