In this episode we speak with Adrian Wagner about his research using Dave Snowden’s Sensemaker tool with Thomas Huebl’s collective trauma work, the resonances between Dave and Thomas’ work, the intelligence of unprocessed trauma, enabling versus governing constraints, and further questions for Dave and Thomas.

Adrian Wagner is a researcher at the Pocket Project and a coach for organizational transformation at Complexity Partners. His career has spanned the roles of teacher, researcher, coach and transformational facilitator for organizations such as the European School of Governance, Foreign Ministry of Germany, Ludwigsburger Schlossfestspiele, European Commission, and University Witten/Herdecke. Adrian was co-initiator of the Black Forest School of Metamodernism and served as an expert at the Institute of Transformational Leadership Berlin. He recently co-published a research report on "Trauma and Democracy", a synthesis of Dave Snowden and Thomas Hübl's insights, exploring novel pathways to integrate collective trauma.