Joshua and Ryan discuss fame, notoriety, the difference between being famous and being well-known, and the upsides and downsides of stardom with actor, writer, and director Jennette McCurdy, and they answer the following questions:

Why do we seem to get more satisfaction from celebrities losing fame than gaining it? (03:13)

What can we do about celebrities that use their fame to spread ill will? (17:46)

Will the general public ever finally realize that fame is hollow? (30:01) 

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