This week I spoke with a very interesting guest with a very interesting perspective on a topic that can be difficult to discuss. John Barnes is a former footballer and author of The Uncomfortable Truth About Racism. He was born and raised in Jamaica and is the son of a military officer. He later moved to England and became one of the best football players of his time. In this conversation John talks about how class is ignored when we talk about problems of race and “racial incidents.” He thinks we need to stop showcasing elite people as a sign of progress while we simultaneously continue to ignore people who are lost in poverty and who don’t benefit from things like white privilege, the patriarchy, and heteronormativity. The issues are more complex, and by vilifying those who are worse off in society we are creating more division. He also gives his thoughts on cancel culture and how he sees real change happening. It’s an incredibly provocative and fascinating episode. Let me know what you think.

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