In this episode, Dave sits down with Trinity Nguyen, CMO at UserGems, to discuss her journey from first business hire to CMO, the role of product marketing in B2B, and how AI is transforming outbound sales. Trinity got started at UserGems’ by building their first website for free, then got hired as Head of Marketing and has shaped the company’s ABM strategy and demand generation playbook.

Dave and Trinity cover:

1. Why every startup should hire a product marketer
2. How to develop a strong vision and align with product teams
3. Scaling outbound with AI-driven ABM and sales engagement

Timestamps

• (00:00) - - Intro to Trinity

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