In this captivating discussion, Mason and Velan dive deep into leadership—moving past old-school hierarchies to a more custodial vibe, seeing an organization as a soul, not just a machine. Velan brings in seership—reading a culture through patient observation and awakened senses, like a mycelial network. They touch on elemental forces (earth, water, fire, air) as leadership teachers—especially water as a memory keeper. Leadership, they say, should be about self-education, letting things flow like living systems, and shedding those colonial mindsets that cut us off from our senses.

They also explore the alchemy of recycling energy—turning discomfort and conflict into gold by creating space for the unspoken. Mason even drops some SuperFeast wisdom about how unacknowledged secrets can disrupt harmony, and how tension can spark new paths—like dandelions breaking through concrete.

Velan wraps it up by calling for multidisciplinary education—moving from specialists to diverse thinkers—and finding common ground. He reminds Mason about enchantment, opening up new possibilities. His big advice for new leaders? Get real with your core secret—your profound why—the bedrock for any lasting impact.

Mason & Velan's Highlights

[00:00:37] The Living Question of Leadership [00:01:21] Custodial Leadership vs. Hierarchical Models [00:03:45] Seership and Sensory Perception [00:05:37] Mycelial Intelligence and Elemental Mastery [00:09:28] Decolonizing Leadership and Reclaiming the Senses [00:17:00] Embodiment and the Practice of Discomfort [00:20:15] Alchemizing Conflict and Recycling Energy [00:22:00] The Power of Secrets and the Inner "Why" [00:27:30] Multidisciplinary Leadership and Cultural Enchantment [00:36:40] Embodiment as an Ecosystemic Practice [00:45:15] Leading Through Initiation and Death Cycles [00:51:04] Returning to the Sacred "Why" – Leadership as Prayer

Call to Action

If something in this conversation stirred something in you—don't rush to make sense of it. Just sit with it. Let it move through your body, your breath, your week. That's where real leadership begins—not in the doing, but in the listening.

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Thank You to Velan

A deep bow to Velan—for the generosity of presence, for weaving wisdom that feels less like information and more like initiation. Brother, thank you for reminding us that leadership is ceremony—a remembering of how to walk well with life.