Today, Josh Mckinney(@thejoshmckinney) interviews Black Belt Competitior, Head Coach(On Guard BJJ), and Podcast Host( @TheEssentialJiuJitsuPodcast ), Matt Kwan.

This conversation starts on creativity but as they dive deeper Josh learns that Matt is motivated so much by chasing his Passion. Matt brings up so many good points about how teaching jiu jitsu can free people from the things that they hate.

Matt and Josh also discuss their hatred for sous vide cooking, the struggles of school ownership, doing Pro wrestling in high school, and whether or not the moon landing was faked.

Practitioners at any level will enjoy this wide ranging conversation with Josh and Matt

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