This is our unabridged interview with Tish Harrison Warren.

What if burnout isn’t failure, but an invitation to become more fully human?

Back in 2023, Anglican priest and author Tish Harrison Warren hit a wall. She was exhausted by her work  on faith and public discourse at the New York Times, and discouraged by the constant controversy that came hand in hand with writing about religion in a public forum. So she left. What followed was a 2 year exploration of burnout in modern culture, and her most recent book: What Grows in Weary Lands. In it, she explores the wisdom of early Christian teaching, and the many ways that embracing limits, difficulty, and the “arduous good” can lead to deeper meaning and authentic human flourishing.

Key Ideas:

-Embrace the Arduous Good: The most meaningful parts of life (relationships, faith, vocation,) are often difficult, and their difficulty is part of their inherent value.

-Grow Roots Through Limits: Depth comes not from endless options but from accepting constraints and staying present long enough for roots to form.

-Practice Faith as Craft: Like any meaningful discipline, faith is shaped through daily habits and persistence.

-Walk Toward the Desert: Seasons of burnout and spiritual dryness are not failures but invitations to deeper growth and transformation.

-Choose the Local Act of Love: Real flourishing happens in embodied, everyday acts of care, not abstract ideals or grand ambition.

⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Tish Harrison Warren

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