Birthing Instincts

#287 You Can Say ‘No’ with Ethicist Dr. Jen Dunatov


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When agenda and rigid ideology replace beneficence and autonomy, relationships and trust collapse. Blyss and Dr. Stu talk with health care ethicist Dr. Jennifer Dunatov about how our physical and mental well-being depends on restoring respect for ethics above all else. Dr. Jen gives crucial insight into ethics services in hospitals, providing practical routes for you to use your voice and obtain an ethics consult. This is an empowering conversation you don’t want to miss!


In this episode of Birthing Instincts:

  • How ethics consults are underutilized in birth spaces
  • Using your gut to identify ethical issues
  • Simple ways to obtain an ethics consult
  • You can say ‘no’ & navigating the threat of CPS
  • Moral injury in the workplace & voicing obstetrical violence



Dr. Jen’s Bio:


Dr. Jennifer Dunatov is a health care ethicist living and working in the greater Los Angeles area. She consults, teaches and writes on all things birth ethics. Jennifer founded the No Trauma Mama® Project in 2017 after learning as a new mother about the global epidemic of preventable birth trauma in clinical settings. She believes when people experience ethical and respectful births, it can be transformative for birthing people, families, and entire communities.

Jennifer has served in clinical and academic roles for 15+ years. She is currently Senior Director of Ethics in Southern CA for a large health care system. Her passion of working in relationship with others to address ethical issues in health care delivery has taken her from New Zealand to Switzerland and many places in between.



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Follow Jen:

  • Website: notraumamama.com
  • Instagram: @notraumamama 


Connect with Dr. Stu:

  • Instagram: @birthinginstincts
  • Website: birthinginstincts.com


Connect with Blyss:

  • Instagram: @birthingblyss
  • Website: birthingblyss.com



This show is produced by Soulfire Productions

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