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We're thrilled to have Andrew Whitehead, an esteemed professor of sociology and author of "American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church."

In this episode, we dive into the complex world of Christian nationalism in America through Andrew's insightful lens. We explore the idea that changing minds often requires more than cold, hard facts; it demands empathy, asking the right questions, and building genuine relationships. Andrew shares personal reflections on America's history, scrutinizing the narrative of it being a "Christian nation" in light of its checkered past.

We'll touch upon the provocative "inverted golden rule," navigating echo chambers, and the tension between disengagement and necessary political advocacy. You'll also hear thought-provoking discussions on how power should be wielded for justice, the importance of listening to marginalized voices, and balancing faithfulness with the often flawed pursuit of efficiency.

We also have some lighter moments, from Andrew's memorable wine experience in Florence, Italy, to enlightening takes on quantum physics and arm wrestling.

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