Brenda J and Karen Wonder interview Chuck Degroat, a therapist, professor, spiritual director, and author of When Narcissism Comes to Church. They take a deep dive into understanding narcissism and he explains in detail the difference and importance between being diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and having narcissistic characteristics. They also discuss the healing process for  victims of narcissistic abuse. A must listen..an extremely educational and informative podcast.

https://chuckdegroat.net