Derrick Jensen is a coauthor of Deep Green Resistance, and the author of Endgame, The Culture of Make Believe, A Language Older than Words, and many other books. He was named one of Utne Reader’s “50 Visionaries Who Are Changing Your World” and won the Eric Hoffer Award in 2008. We discuss animal communication, the trajectory of history, and the dangers of comfort.

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Music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; “Summertime,” by Fort Francis; “Smoke Alarm,” by Carsie Blanton.

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