Kevin is one of the smartest, most thoughtful people you’ve never met. His 15 minutes of fame came when he and his daughter were featured on a TV show, focusing on his technique of helping her overcome fear by balancing on his hand. Formerly a leader in the world of Techno Optimism, being a dad has led him to rethink some of his previous positions. We talk about everything from God to AI to drugs to the importance of podcasting.

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Music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; “Studebaker,” by Jordan Zevon; “Smoke Alarm,” by Carsie Blanton.

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