Key-note speakers, personal development and business trainers Alison McAulay and Nick Jankel join Mark to discuss how intellectualism and athleticism can both be ways out of embodiment. They chat about gymnastics, rave culture, perfectionism, the "performance body", ecstasy - the pill and state, integration of high states into life, tips for working with "squares" in business, California, pain, science, embodied relationships, success and the growth industry and more. A really bright alive discussion.

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