Kyle Kingsbury welcomes back Michael Trainer for a wide-ranging conversation about nature, healing, rites of passage, and connection. Trainer recounts being violently jumped at 12 in Spain, developing obsessive-compulsive behaviors, and choosing extreme “exposure therapy” by moving to Sri Lanka during civil war, where he was mentored by a seventh-generation healer in a secret Ayurvedic shamanic tradition and witnessed trance, ceremony, and what he describes as inexplicable phenomena. He discusses subsequent men’s work and grief practices, including guidance from Martín Prechtel and a four-year men’s group, plus synchronistic experiences with animals and indigenous ceremonies. Trainer introduces his forthcoming book, “Resonance: The Art and Science of Human Connection,” using music and coherence to address modern loneliness and help people “tune” themselves and find their community, while Kyle also shares about his “Kingdom Within” community and shares a plant-based approach to Texas cedar allergies.

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