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February 18, 2025 Mark Gober | The End of Upside Down Thinking: New Science Flips The "Reality" We Think Is Real...

Is the very fabric of our reality rooted in consciousness and are we missing its true power?

Mark Gober, joins Josh Trent on the Wellness + Wisdom Podcast, episode 716, to uncover why our minds are more than just physical organs, how unseen forces shape our everyday experiences, and what it really means to live in alignment with our soul’s purpose.

"All reality is consciousness which means there's one source of everything, there's one cause of everything. That means that all thinking comes from the oneness of consciousness. You exist as an individual and you don't at the same time." - Mark Gober

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In This Episode, Mark Gober Uncovers: [01:15] Brain + Consciousness

Mark Gober
Where consciousness comes from.
How the brain is connected to consciousness.
Why we are a vehicle of consciousness.
An End to the Upside Down Thinking by Mark Gober
An End to the Upside Down Cosmos by Mark Gober

[04:15] The Unlimited Possibilities of Reality

301 Cory Allen: Now Is The Way
How the brain processes consciousness and affects how we perceive the world.
Why acknowledging the possibilities of reality can make us happier.
How Mark was agnostic until he was 30.
Laura Powers
Why he opened up to new possibilities and needed to pursue a different path.

[14:05] Why Do We Exist?

How patents cover novel ideas that have never been done in the past.
What led Mark to leave his career in investment banking.
How he didn't feel like his decision to leave his job wasn't risky.

[19:15] The Purpose of Suffering

How Mark questioned God and the human existence when he was young.
Why his previous career prepared him to do what he does now.
An End to Upside Down Medicine by Mark Gober
What the true purpose of suffering is.
What the Bleep Do We Know!? (2014)

[24:55] Low-Frequency Emotions

How our consciousness shapes our reality.
Why we can't understand God.
How time is a construct of the mind.
Dr. David Hawkins
Why it's natural to feel low-frequency emotions.
How the growth process allows us to move through negative emotions faster and with understanding.

[33:15] What Keeps You Humble?

Why there is more to life after we die.
How research is a humbling process for Mark.
Why he questions conventional medicine.
Where Is My Mind? Podcast

[38:45] Consciousness Is Fundamental

Why experience can stand the test of time.
The simplest solution is usually the best.
Why consciousness is the only thing we know with certainty.
How we can explain all reality with consciousness.
692 Paul Chek | Spirit Gym: How To Find The Truth of Your Soul + Live Your Dream

[42:10] Play A New Game

How Josh defined what game he wants to play.
Why Mark wants to share his discoveries and wisdom with others.
How questioning paradigms helps him learn and grow.

[47:30] Everything Happens FOR You

Why we need to take responsibility for the things that happen.
How experiencing a feeling fully helps us let go of it.
Why our lineage influences our lives.

[50:35] Does Language Shape Reality?

Why people can't describe near-death experiences or plant medicine journeys with words.
An End to Upside Down Contact by Mark Gober
Why people communicate with extraterrestrial beings telepathically.
How to use language consciously.
Why Mark struggles with the possibility of misleading other people.

[55:35] What Is Thinking?

How we experience thoughts.
Why what we know about thinking are only hypotheses.
How all thinking comes from the same source of consciousness.
The Science of Channeling by Helane Wahbeh + Eben Alexander
Why we can channel an entity outside of ourselves.
How our thoughts might not always be our own.

[01:00:45] The Purpose of Evil Entities

Why we receive more metaphysical support as we expand our consciousness.
How we get possessed by demons or entities.
430 Zach Bush MD | Sacred Commerce & Community: How To Thrive In 2022
Why evil entities cause chaos so that we can find order.
I Am Serena by Serena Faith Masterson
How our souls choose difficult paths to learn how to help other people.

[01:06:40] Challenge The Norm

634 Dr. John Demartini | Human Potential: Your Practical + Spiritual Guide To Getting The Life You Desire
624 Teal Swan | Ancestral Healing: Multidimensional Genetics, Conscious Parenting + The Impossible Task of Single Mothers
How Mark has to face the people who will go against the information that he shares.
An End to Upside Down Liberty by Mark Gober
How challenging the political system was the most challenging for Mark.
Why only a few people in our society have special privileges.
How democracy is a form of tyranny and violates natural law.

[01:12:25] The Truth About The Government

Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose
Mises Institute
Why people are too irresponsible to be trusted.
How government is a service provider.
Why near-death experiences change people's lives.
How we review our lives when we die and become the person we impacted the most.
Dannion Brinkley
After by Bruce Greyson
How we treat other people should be informed by the fact that we are all one.

[01:22:25] We Are Not Truly Free

Crimson Tide (1995)
Why we should do no harm to anyone's private property.
How taxation is an organized theft.
Why the tax system violates natural law by being involuntary.
How the political system is a monopoly.

[01:31:35] How To Become Liberated

Why we don't truly own anything.
How shifting our consciousness is what sets us free.
Why anarcho-capitalism is the answer to having more freedom.
How our problems are not being solved by the current system.
Why we need to realize the government doesn't provide safety.

[01:37:35] The Dangers of Pseudo-Science

Why seeking the truth may reveal what we didn't want to find.
How AI is biased towards the mainstream narratives.
Why the scientific methods of studying virology are not accurate.
The role of isolation in virology.
Why the method of virus research hasn't changed since the 1950s.

[01:44:20] The End of Upside Down Thinking

312 Kevin Kelly: What Technology Can Teach Us About Self Love
How AI is a reflection of the collective consciousness.
714 Ben Stewart | Story Creates Reality: How Can We Awaken In The Midst of Crisis + Write A New Story For Humanity?
How data provides a great business opportunity.
Why we need courage to ask better questions.
How our conscious experience in this moment right now is the only thing we can be sure of.

[01:51:00] The Path of Evolution

How to get through fear.
Why we can't stay a slave to our physiology.
The four paths of evolution according to yogic teachings.
Why we need to experience the opposite of what we want to know what we want.

[01:57:05] The Essence of Wellness

Why darkness is what allows us to see the light.
Wellness is living in alignment with our soul purpose.
How our consciousness impacts our physical health.
Why financial well-being is essential in our growth.
The importance of being comfortable with not knowing the answer.

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Power Quotes From The Show The Body Is Consciousness

"If everything's consciousness, how could there be a brain that's receiving consciousness? That's implying the separation that might not be there. Maybe the brain is picking up consciousness from beyond the body, which means that a human being is a vehicle or a vessel of consciousness on one level. And on another level, the body itself might be consciousness." - Mark Gober

Consciousness Creates Reality

"If everything is consciousness, then everything is malleable to some degree. And therefore the way in which we direct our consciousness in theory, is going to affect reality because reality is consciousness and nothing's actually physical." - Mark Gober

Time Is a Construct of The Mind

"The sequence of past to present to future, or beginning, middle, and end, is a construct of the mind. If we think about the past, it's a memory. It doesn't exist. It's just something in our mind right now. And the future is the same thing. It's something we hold in our mind right now, and the present is something we hold in our mind right now." - Mark Gober

Links From Today's Show

Mark Gober
An End to the Upside Down Thinking by Mark Gober
An End to the Upside Down Cosmos by Mark Gober
301 Cory Allen: Now Is The Way
Laura Powers
An End to Upside Down Medicine by Mark Gober
What the Bleep Do We Know!? (2014)
Dr. David Hawkins
Where Is My Mind? Podcast
692 Paul Chek | Spirit Gym: How To Find The Truth of Your Soul + Live Your Dream
An End to Upside Down Contact by Mark Gober
The Science of Channeling by Helane Wahbeh + Eben Alexander
430 Zach Bush MD | Sacred Commerce & Community: How To Thrive In 2022
I Am Serena by Serena Faith Masterson
634 Dr. John Demartini | Human Potential: Your Practical + Spiritual Guide To Getting The Life You Desire
624 Teal Swan | Ancestral Healing: Multidimensional Genetics, Conscious Parenting + The Impossible Task of Single Mothers
An End to Upside Down Liberty by Mark Gober
Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose
Mises Institute
Dannion Brinkley
After by Bruce Greyson
Crimson Tide (1995)
312 Kevin Kelly: What Technology Can Teach Us About Self Love
714 Ben Stewart | Story Creates Reality: How Can We Awaken In The Midst of Crisis + Write A New Story For Humanity?

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About Mark Gober

Mark Gober is the award-winning author of the "Upside Down" series of 7 books published since 2018.

The books span the topics of consciousness, politics, economics, medicine, cosmology, and more. He also produced the popular 8-episode podcast series "Where Is My Mind?" with Blue Duck Media.

Previously, Mark worked in investment banking in New York with UBS and was a Partner at Sherpa Technology Group in Silicon Valley.

He graduated magna cum laude from Princeton where was elected a captain of the tennis team. Mark also serves on the Board of Directors for the Institute of Noetic Sciences.