Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.

Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc

See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.

Transcript:

https://lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript

CONTACT LEX:

Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey

AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama

Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring

Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact

EPISODE LINKS:

Pavel's Telegram: https://t.me/durov

Pavel's X: https://x.com/durov

Telegram: https://telegram.org/

Telegram Contests: https://contest.com/

SPONSORS:

To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts:

Miro: Online collaborative whiteboard platform.

Go to https://miro.com/

UPLIFT Desk: Standing desks and office ergonomics.

Go to https://upliftdesk.com/lex

Fin: AI agent for customer service.

Go to https://fin.ai/lex

LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix.

Go to https://drinkLMNT.com/lex

Shopify: Sell stuff online.

Go to https://shopify.com/lex

OUTLINE:

(00:00) - Introduction

(02:46) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections

(11:29) - Philosophy of freedom

(14:37) - No alcohol

(22:42) - No phone

(28:38) - Discipline

(49:50) - Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics

(1:05:12) - Arrest in France

(1:21:23) - Romanian elections

(1:32:18) - Power and corruption

(1:41:50) - Intense education

(1:53:51) - Nikolai Durov

(1:58:19) - Programming and video games

(2:02:33) - VK origins & engineering

(2:19:46) - Hiring a great team

(2:29:02) - Telegram engineering & design

(2:48:04) - Encryption

(2:53:01) - Open source

(2:57:48) - Edward Snowden

(3:00:20) - Intelligence agencies

(3:01:32) - Iran and Russia government pressure

(3:04:41) - Apple

(3:11:38) - Poisoning

(3:43:53) - Money

(3:52:45) - TON

(4:02:35) - Bitcoin

(4:05:34) - Two chairs dilemma

(4:12:14) - Children

(4:23:24) - Father

(4:27:55) - Quantum immortality

(4:34:27) - Kafka

PODCAST LINKS:

- Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast

- Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr

- Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8

- RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/

- Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4

- Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips